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Bitter Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 07:48 AM Does anyone out there know how to get sabot rounds ? The police can fire these things out of shotguns, but I don't think they are available to the public. They are supposed to punch right thru armour and stuff... Can they be improvised ?
Marshall Mathers Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 09:05 AM I thought sabots were slugs, you can get slugs anywhere.
Ho ju Moderator	posted May 06, 2000 12:39 PM i know you use sabot rounds in muzzle loaders but i have not heard of any for a shot gun. are you thinking a sabot round is a pointed bullet? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Bitter Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 01:38 PM What is eventually fired from a sabot round is much like a pointed bullet, but its far more complicated than that; look it up on a search engine and see. I have seen them for sale on the net, but they are for cops only (all the more reason to have them). The same people also sell 'flechette' rounds which sound very interesting. I believe tanks use them too and there is an 'ammo' book floating around with info on how to make them. Does anyone know which one it is ? [This message has been edited by Bitter (edited May 06, 2000).]
PyroTechnic Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 01:43 PM is that the tank round that the sides break off after exiting the barrel? it is used for armor piercing, i didnt know that they had them for reg guns ------------------ Guns dont kill people... i kill people
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 02:40 PM Sabot..... usually a steel slug encased in plastic. The plastic falls off the slug once it has left the barrel. The plastic is because you cant shoot steel out of a shotgun or rifle (I have some sabot airgun rounds I got given somewhere) as it will scratch up the barrel. I'll try to find some pics. ------------------ Whoa, where my fingers?
SofaKing Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 03:55 PM You can leagly buy sabot rounds for shotguns they are solid copper in a plastic sabot. They have better penetration than normal but not armor percing. You can get sabot inserts for .50bmg and 7.62mm (legal) and fire 7.62 from a 50 and 5.56mm from the 7.62 these have greatly enhanced velocity and can penetrate armor. Useing steel core rounds would add to there abillity. The 50 sabots with talon steel cores can take out light APCs ------------------ insert witty remark here
Ho ju Moderator	posted May 06, 2000 04:13 PM i knew what sabot rounds were i was just wondering if you got them confused with something else in your first post. i knew of them for the tanks and that is why i wondered that ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
zaibatsu Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 06:02 PM i was reading about uranium poisoning in the Guardian through the use of anti-tankl sabot rounds. From what it says, they are made from depleted uranium, and travel about5 tims the speed of sound. these are usually fired from tanks, or any other heavy artillery. Anyway, when they hit, there is so much force on the tip that it vapourises, thus staying sharp, but when it enters the tank, white hot gas and sparks kill all the crew inside, probably blow up the tank. They are like long arrows, well, at least the sabot rounds i saw were. They have some casing that breaks off when they are fired, which means its very aerodynamic.
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 06:33 PM I was watching a real life camera footage of the Gulf war. Any Sabots came up. Theres a hole in the side of this tank about 2 inches wide. Inside all the crew are dead. and everthing inside is destroyed. What caused it was a Titanium tipped sabot. From what the tank crew said they will penetrate and then on penetration splinter into razor like shards which will "definatly" kill everything inside. ------------------ Whoa, where my fingers?
Ho ju Moderator	posted May 06, 2000 06:56 PM i have seen things on sabot rounds when watching documentaries on the gulf war. )The m1a1abrahms tanks is nice) the sabot round was designed to enter the tank and cause an internal ammo explosion. that is where all the destruction comes from. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Marshall Mathers Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 07:26 PM I am not usually one to post websites/sources. But people do strange things when they have been AWAKE!!!! for over 40 hours. So.... where was I? oh yeah, the website. This guy has EVERYTHING, from 12 guage flachette rounds, to 12 guage incindiary rounds, to fused salutes, to 37mm flashbangs, to well... you get the point. www.mbmammo.com jeez im probably going to want to delete this post when I wake up monday.Maybee the moderater will just delete it anyways, because nobody like an asshole that gives away ) sources information on the internet. I will probaly wake up to find out this sit e has
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster	posted May 06, 2000 09:35 PM Ok cool... now were getting into some of the stuff that i know a lot about. First off on the sabot's for 12 gauge's. They are not illegal for the public to buy, or even hard to find. They are for added velocity, and accuracy out of shotguns. They are a slug, correct, but they are a smaller diameter than the bore of the gun. The sabot is similar to a "wad", made of plastic, it is what catches the rifling in a rifled choke tube, or barrel. They give you a lot tighter grouping than regular foster type slugs. I can personally hold a 3" group at 125 yards. With foster type slugs (remington sluggers, winchester super X, etc) the best i can hold is a 7 or 8 inch group. Given the difference for my deer hunting.... i'll shoot the sabots. The sabots i shoot are remington copper solids. They have recently changed them (last hunting season) they used to be a fragmentation round, with the 4 leaves and the main body of the slug seperating upon solid impact (bone) now however, they are guaranteed to retain most of their weight. Now they look like a barnes X bullet. Some people said above that they are not armor piercing. This is WRONG. Particularly the remington copper's (the new ones) they will penetrate a class 3 ballistic vest.Including the trauma plate. Or the equivalent of .250 inches of steel. Other quality makers of sabots for shotguns are Bernekee, Federal, Lightfield, Winchester, and Active. Now on to the info some people posted on the Sabots for tanks. Now this i can assure you i am knowledgeable on, as i have literally handled the rounds for the tanks. Not only the sabot's but also the HEAT rounds, and MPAT. The company i work for did a prototype for an auto loader for the M1A2 Abrahms. I also got to be in the tank during a live fire battle drill, for testing of the autoloader. Very cool, but i'm getting off track here. The sabot for the abrahms is made of two different materials, one type is made of tungsten, the other is of depleted uranium (M829 kinetic round). They are very sharply pointed, and quite heavy. They fire at a velocity of 5400 fps (if i'm not mistaken). The barrel of the abrahms (M1A2)is 120mm (smooth bore)the original M1 was a 105mm Rifled barrel. The 105mm are still in use but use a different round (obviously) it is the APFSDS-T M883, it also uses a depleted uranium core. These rounds as was said, upon impact become nearly molten when striking. They form a type of jet as they burry themselves into the armor. When they penetrate, shrapnel ping pongs throughout the interiour of the tank. This round was never meant to "explode" a tank. However it was found that it often set off the "ready round" in the russian auto loaders. I also did some work with the Milan system, so if any questions come up on these topics, i think i can give some very good information. BaDSeeD ------------------ Knowledge is the true power, ignorance will bring your demise.
Bitter Frequent Poster	posted May 07, 2000 07:21 AM Thanks alot you guys.
DaRkDwArF Frequent Poster	posted May 07, 2000 09:34 AM The Australian Army has some form of Tank Shells, that have a White Phosphurous (I hope thats how it's spelt) Core, so when it hits the target the Mix is exposed to air and combusts, thus killing all the entended targets around, whats the Mix that they were talking about??? anyboy know???
Bitter Frequent Poster	posted May 07, 2000 12:53 PM There isn't a mix, dwarf. Pure white phosphourus goes up like napalm when it is exposed to air. You would be very lucky to obtain it. Has anyone seen the link Marshall gave me ? The speciality ammo is wicked !!! [This message has been edited by Bitter (edited May 07, 2000).]
ClintonxSucks Frequent Poster	posted May 07, 2000 09:15 PM The main reason thoose composite "darts" are used aginst tanks is becuase its relitive easy to defeat hollow charge warheads( stand off armor, sandbags, even bundles of logs!),however the only real way to stop one of thoose saboted darts is to uses tons of armour. However, does anyone know if its possible to make HESH rounds? For thoose of you who dont know what HESH is there a thinly jacket shell filled with plastic expolsives. When it hits a tanks or wall or whatever, it flattens out, and when the base of the shell hits the soild object its impacting, it blows up. This either blows a "scab" of the armour into the target, or if the armour is thick, then it blows pieces of the armour into the tank. These were know as "wall buster" shells by the brits in WW2.

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