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rjche
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posted May 30, 2000 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjche     
Below are excerpts of an article explaining a new law USA Gov. is laying on its people.


New powers which I see being seized by Gov. with the new law:

1. Outlaws speech which tells someone where drug information can be had by using a link.

2. Outlaws teaching about drugs.

3. Outlaws speech discussing drug making.

4. Authorizes any agent to force your host to close your website.

5. Allows you no hearing about that.

6. Outlaws speech telling where drugs can be bought.

7. Extends the right to search your land without warrant, to include everywhere, including your home, bank, car, etc.

8. Authorizes burglary, tresspassing, breaking and entering, and theft, done secretly by police, or other "agents".

9. Gives mafia gangs operating in various gov. agencies the cloak of official secrecy and immunity from prosecution.


BEGIN EXCERPTS:

"Senate approves police searches and seizures without warrants".

"The United States Congress is on the verge of passing a Republican sponsored bill that would eradicate the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution."

"In addition, the bill extends its authority to impede upon the First Amendment Right
of "Freedom of Speech"."

"In effect, what the provision does is empower the Federal Government, State Government and local law enforcement agencies, to enter private property, homes, businesses, automobiles, etc. - for any "criminal searches" without a warrant and without any legal obligation to inform the private property owner that a search and seizure was conducted until months later, if at all. "

"It would grant the Federal Government power to obtain "intangible" evidence -- hard-drive data, photographs or copies made of any documents or family or personal belongings, diaries, etc. - without ever having to inform
the owner that their property was searched. If physical evidence was taken then the government could wait up to 90 days later, before having to notify the owner that a secret search of their property ever occurred."

"The bill was aimed especially at computer hard drives, which could be copied in an
owner’s absence and examined without the owner’s knowledge."


"A SOURCE WITHIN THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, SPEAKING ON CONDITION OF
AN0NYMITY, ADMITTED THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE SEARCH AND SEIZURE PROVISION "SLIPPED BY EVERYBODY" IN THE SENATE. "(Hatch and the Justice Department) BURIED IT DEEP IN THE BILL, AND NOBODY NOTICED UNTIL THE THING HAD ALREADY PASSED"."

"The Secret Searches measure is so outrageous that it would have no chance of being enacted as a bill on its own, when subjected to public scrutiny and debate," Kopel asserted. "So instead, the DOJ has nestled the Secret Search item deep inside a long bill dealing with methamphetamines"."


"Another approach the bill takes to "curbing" methamphetamine usage is by MAKING IT A CRIME TO CREATE A HYPERTEXT LINK ON THE INTERNET TO ANY SITE THAT "DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ADVERTISES" DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, OR DISTRIBUTES INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROCESSING OR PURCHASE OF DRUGS."

"Under the provisions of the act, an Internet service provider, who is notified by a district attorney or representative of the Drug Enforcement Agency, that one of their hosted sites is in violation, would be required to remove the site within 48
hours or face federal criminal penalties."

"On top of that, another provision of the bill would make it punishable by up to ten years in prison, "To teach or demonstrate, or to distribute by any means of information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the
manufacture of a controlled substance"."

" "These are not minor changes," Barr added. "These are substantive and far-reaching changes to the criminal law on search and seizure... "."

END EXCERPTS

FOR FULL ARTICLE GO HERE: http://www.ashevilletribune.com/nowarrants.htm

MY COMMENTS:

For a glimpse at our future, substitute explosives, destructive devices, illegal fireworks, or firearms, in the above law wherever it mentions drugs.

This is why I say time is short for gaining knowledge on these subjects.




BoB-
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posted May 30, 2000 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoB-     
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Ho ju
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posted May 30, 2000 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
i highly doubt that, now that people relize what the bill has in it (ie the destruction of the 4th amendment) it will become a law. it still has to pass the other house right? it will more than likely have to be amended and passed all over again before clinton signs it into law.

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Bitter
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posted May 30, 2000 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bitter   Click Here to Email Bitter     
Sorry folks, 1984 was'nt fiction, its fact and its happening right here, right now. Big Brother is pobably watching you as you read these very words. Hey, BB, up yours !

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Digital Thief
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posted May 30, 2000 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Digital Thief     
Yep you hit it right on the head. George Orwell saw it coming long before many of us were born. I believe that those who are truly concearned about their privacy will continue to maintain it. Those who don't give a rats ass will be treated as such. Thats life.


zaibatsu
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posted May 30, 2000 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zaibatsu   Click Here to Email zaibatsu     
Yeah, not specifically about america, but shit like this happens when people go along with the crowd, and do not stand up for their rights, and fight for what they know to be true and right. Whoever said people are sheep were right. But i'f people were sheep, i'd be a lot happier


Mmanwitgun
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posted May 30, 2000 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mmanwitgun   Click Here to Email Mmanwitgun     
Damn. Thats some crazy shit. It can be advantage to revolutionaries. This will anger the public. When the public is angered, anti-big brother terrorists can operate more. If the citizens are angered enough there will be a revolution.
~Dave


Digital Thief
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posted May 30, 2000 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Digital Thief     
Yeah but lets be realistic. These things don't happen overnight. Years upon years of physcological conditioning through public schooling, mass media, and other information sources have broken people into a certain way of thinking. Even friends who I have talked to seem to be broken in like a mut from the pound or an old rug. They don't see the big picture or other solutions to problems. This kind of conditioning is hard to do, especially when the country is in pretty decent shape economically and socially (or at least appears that way). I don't know but personally, I do not see an American Revolution taking place, at least not in the near future. This isn't some south american country that changes dictators from day to day. Its not Russia either where the goverment has been screwed up for years. You have to admit that we're doing something right but its those politicans who slowly but systematically infringe on our rights who cause the problems.


nbk2000
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posted May 30, 2000 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
Our freedom won't die with a bang, but with a whimper. Slowly, systematicly, and "for the children".

Public schools and mass media (TV, radio, and print) are conditioning children to think the government and police are their friends and everything they do is for their own good.

As each succeding generation goes into the system, even more freedom is lost because they think that this is the normal way of things.

Bureacracies can wait a person entire lifetime for their plans to come to fruition. So slowly does it creep up on you that by the time you realize it, it's too late.

Imagine if every law they've passed in the last 10 years were drop on the public over night. You'd never have heard a louder scream of "Oppression!" in your life. The contrast between what life was before, and life after, would be very clear then.

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crossme18
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posted June 01, 2000 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crossme18   Click Here to Email crossme18     
I tell ya if anyone comes in my house without permission or a search warrant, God be with them. I could have my house booby trapped worse than Fort Knox with the gold depot. If they feel they want in so be it but when they lose a leg or arm I'll be like oopps didn't know that was there. NOONE shall enter my house without authority. The government doesn't care what we think, SO WHY do we elect these crazy people for office? Tell me? You voted for these people I guess, and now they screw us over. WHOS on the payroll? And talk about cops. Shit... They take most of the stuff they seize. Ok heres a real example. I had some brass knuckles and other illegal instruments. The officer took them and said I can either put you in my squad car and take you to jail or I will take these where I want and keep them. I picked to let him have them and be let off with a warning.

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