posted June 01, 2000 01:53 AM            

BoB-

You said if a guys pointing a gun at you, to throw a glass vial of ammonia and bleach at the guys feet. What is this supposed to do???

Is this supposed to point you out saying "look i'm an idiot throwing stuff at your feet.... SHOOT ME!"???

If your thinking that the amoniachloride gas is going to kill him... your very very wrong.

Hell he'd probably have to be in a room full of it for a few minutes just to get any permanant lung damage.

BaDSeeD

posted June 01, 2000 10:53 AM         

True, it has happeded, when Kip Kingle shot his parents, then went to school with a semi-.22 rifle and a glock, he got off one 50 round mag from the rifle, as he reached for his glock he got tackled and beaten by 4 jocks.

He was just a small 14 year old on his own. Easy to tackle while reloading.

But in columbine there was two of them. Even in the corridors they were together, and watching each others back.

There are a few reasons why tackling them would have been a kamikaze mission.

1. There were two, each watching each others back.

2. Each had 6 different wepons on them:

Eric had his 5 shot pump action shotgun, his rifle, 3 knives, and pipe bombs.

Dylan had a "Stevens" side-by-side shotgun, his TEC 9, again 3 knives, and molotov cockatails.

So even when the cop was shooting at them outside, when one wepon emptied (or jammed whn eric shot at the cop with the rifle) they could have another one out and ready withing a second. Erics rifle jammed, he spun around, dropped to his knees as use the shotgun, all in less than a second according to the cop.

3. They were seniors, I do weightlifting, so do some of my friends, and I still doubt that 2-3 of us could tackle either of them to the ground without being shot by either the one being tackled, or the other gunnman.

Unlike most other shootings that were "spur of the moment", columbine was planned over approx. 1 year, eric even stayed in the cafeteria a week before to know when the most people would be in there, thats how they chose the time for the propane bombs (that failed) 11:17.

So, if I ever hear any gun shots in my school, the "sheep" can stay to the slaughter in the class room doing their carefully planned drill, I'll be the first out the door, running CAREFULLY, listening to where the shots are coming from so I dont do a Dave Sanders [shot teacher] and run straight into the gunman/men.

I did something like that at school once:

When I lived in England, there was a fire alarm (not planned) at my school around 6 PM(only a handfull of us were there) , the potters kiln smoke vent had come off and we could smell smoke, so we thought it was a real fire.

The Hall monitors tryed to get us to walk in a carefull slow manner, down the pre-recorded route, me and my friends climbed out the windows, no way, in any realy life drill am I doing something that I think is risking my life.

Ever

posted June 01, 2000 02:39 PM         

There were two, each in sports bags, each on placed next to a pillar (the pillars were in the middle of the cafeteria).

Eric had waited in the Cafeteria a week before and estimated (he actually counted the people) that that "prime time" would be 11:17 and around 500 people would be in there. Free time started at 11:15, and giving two mins. the most people would have made their way to the cafeteria, it does make sense.

They were made from a propane tank (15 kg ones), with a gallon can of gasoline strapped to it. The propane tank was designed to be burst open with a pipe bomb timed with a wind up alarm clock. The gasoline was to create a bigger fireball, and if the pipe bomb didn't burst the propane tank, it would at least throw burning gasoline everywhere.

Set for 10:30 (I think) they had a distraction device of 5-6 pipe bombs and arosoel cans in a field many miles away. One pipe bomb detonated blowing up an arosoel can. However, it was not found intil 2 hours after the shootings had finishesd when a man walking his dog stumbled across a burnt patch of ground.

The reason the propane bombs didn't detonate was the fact that while they were carrying the bags there, the fine wires soldered to the clock hands got mashed (is that even a word?) and caused a misfire.

The second time the gunmen walked into the cafe a small CO2 bomb set the gasoline on fire that set off the sprinklers.

Actually, the final report says that the events were like so:

parking lot-brief entrance in cafeteria-halls-library-cafe-library

So the problem with the propane bombs was simply bad electronics.

posted June 01, 2000 04:03 PM            

The kid who got tackled while reloading didn't think things through. There's a reason the military came up with the bayonet. If you get caught in the middle of a reload you just run a motherfucker through the guts with a foot of steel. I don't think even a jock is stupid enough to rush someone with a long blade aimed at their guts. Even a group wouldn't try it because who would want to be the first one to get impaled?

Also, the last 5 rounds in your magazine should be tracers so you can see when you're almost out of ammo and need to reload.

When you see tracers, you back up against a wall, or even better, into a corner, and while you're changing magazines with your strong hand, you keep the rifle held against your hip with the bayonet pointed out with the weak hand.

Assuming you haven't fired the last round in the magazine, a autoloading rifle will still have one round in the chamber, so while you're changing magazines, if someone rushes you, shot him and stick anyone else nearby with the bayonet.

And need I mention that every bullet should be poisoned? That's a mandatory. There's too much of this "2 dead, 15 wounded." crap. It should be "17 dead, none wounded.". YEAH! AHAHAHAH..Uhhh..uuuuhhhhh.......(eyes rolling into the back of your head as you orgasmicly twitch at the sheer pleasure of the thought).

The propane bombs that didn't go off were failures. Wind up clocks? WTF? haven't these boys heard of electronics? Or even a fucking kitchen timer? These fucks had plenty of money and time to research the internet. So why the hell would they choose such a crappy way to rig up a bomb?

The gas tank and propane thing isn't a bad idea. Either one (or both) will cause a big fire and/or explosion. Double you chances, double your fun.

Ooppps. Seem to have gone from stopping the shooter to being the shooter. So easy to do.

If you really want to stop a school shooter, shoot him. With a gun. Of course, if you get caught with a gun at school, you've become the shooter.

So don't evcen bother with all this crap. You'll never (with 99.99999+ % probability) be involved in a school shooting incident. You're more likely to win the lottery or get hit by lightning than get shot at school.

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"The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."

posted June 01, 2000 04:51 PM         

Anyway, the two important ones failed, if they had gone off, the explosion would have been bigger than Badseeds (see his post appropriatly titled, ahem "HOLY SHIT) as the tanks were full, and it would have killed many hundreds of people (there were about 450 people in the Cafeteria at that time).

My old man got struck by lightning, he lived, so does that mean probability wise I'm gonna get shot up at school NBK?

posted June 01, 2000 08:36 PM            

They used kitchen timers, eh? Bet the dumb fucks didn't wire them properly or solder the connections.

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"The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."

posted June 02, 2000 08:31 AM            

but i still don't think that a school shooting is possible to happen to you.

posted June 02, 2000 05:21 PM         

It has a half moon (dont strain your self here Maddoc on the descriptions, you might hurt yourself) handle that goes in your palm, and you clech a fist, the blade comes out (its fixed) between you middle and index fingers. You just "punch" the person when your holding it.

posted June 03, 2000 08:42 PM            

me and a friend were going to a party and a guy out of the bushes and hit my friend in the head, he woas out on the floor,he don't remember it.

the guy ran off when i pulled out my axe
hehe.

but i have been looking for those extendable batons but down here in oz you need a security/cop/army license to buy them