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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 12:41 PM
 
I read Killer_Elite's post on heavy wooden darts (the one he posted a while back) and was wondering if anyone had a way of making any smaller ones? like to use in a homade blowgun (maybe just a bic pen but i am probly going to make one in the near future) what is the best way to stabalize a small dart without slowing it down to much? i have some ideas but they have never worked. anyone have any suggestions? ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster |
posted February 14, 2000 03:28 PM
Best ways to stablize a blow dart; A) The use of flexiable plastic or thin cardboard to make fins that twist/roll along the body to make them flat while in the barrel. B) A streamer made of tissue that trails behind the projectile. Cut a strip of a paper towel about 5 - 10 inches long and 1 inch wide, tape it to the end of your dart. ------------------ |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 03:40 PM
what do you suggest i make the actual dart out of if i am going to be firing it from a bic pen or a plastc straw? and for the streamer, wouldn't that slow down the dart to much for any pentratin power? ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster |
posted February 14, 2000 04:05 PM
I wrote you a nice long detailed essay explaining all this shit, but netscape got an illegal error, so it all was lost. fuck. But basically, When I wrote my other reply I thought that you meant you were using the bic pen as the projectile, and not the barrel. If you are using a bic pen as the barrel just use a smaller streamer. A bic pen won't be able to propel anything hard enough to penetrate shit anyways, but I dont think the tails slow it down, they create lift which prolong it's flight. You need them, without them the projectile will go sideways and it wont penetrate anyways. I would suggest using a larger barrel. For your bic proejectile, use the old shoe string and need plan. Cut the end of a shoe lace, the part with the plastic cap around it, stick a need butt first into this so the point is sticking out. When you cut the shoe string leave about 1/2" of lace behind the plastic cap, and fray this lace. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Feticidal Fantasy (edited February 14, 2000).] |
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BaDSeeD Frequent Poster |
posted February 14, 2000 04:05 PM
Here's a quick easy idea for darts that work well in a bb gun, blow gun, bic pen, or straw. I used to make these when i was a kid. Just find all your old sneakers, and any old shoe laces you can find. At the end of the shoe lace is a plastic wrap that keeps the lace from unraveling. Cut down the lace, about 1/2 an inch. Now fray the ends by rolling it in your fingers ir use a little comb.. whatever.. its not hard. Now you just need to push a pin or needle through the center of that plastic piece. Thats it. Simple as hell... and they work great. They are also small enough to fit in a bb gun (pneumatic only .. duhh). Now as ya may have noticed.. your only going to get two out of each shoelace.. but if you can wrap a piece of electrical tape (only one or two wraps) tight enough around the shoe lace... you could make dozens out of one lace... but they wont be quite as good as the ends you cut off. ------------------ |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 04:08 PM
how fast will they go? do they have any real penetration power at say 10 feet? or are they just basicly a novilty? ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster |
posted February 14, 2000 04:12 PM
fuck, i edit my message and then meanwhile 2 people post other replies.. got the same idea as badseed. HoJu, at 10 feet they make stick in the wall(using a bic pen blowgun) but thats about it.. ------------------ |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 04:22 PM
yeah that is what i was afraid of. no true power at longer ranges. maybe if you get a longer blow gun it would work better for sticking people at like 20 feet. does ayone have a way to make a blowdart out of solid materials? like plastics and a sewing machine needle? that would better then a pin and cloth. (i just got done reading your edit FF and i noticed you had the same idea...a longer barrel  )------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited February 14, 2000).] |
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Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster |
posted February 14, 2000 04:33 PM
I just made a bic blow gun with the lace/needle projectile for a test.. It does stick in the wall if you blow really hard. I shot my cat from about 2 feet, it didn't seem to bother her and it fell off as she ran away. ------------------ |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 04:59 PM
i just did the exact same thing about 20 min ago with similar results. ohwell. back to the drawing board ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited February 14, 2000).] |
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VeHeMT Frequent Poster |
posted February 14, 2000 07:01 PM
Poison and I have been talking about coil guns recently and the barrel which I suggested was a hard plastic tube available at any aquarium/pet store with fish. They sell it in 2-3 foot lengths and anywhere from something like 1/4" to 3/4". It is a hard plastic tube, but may be fexible at the length it is. If they sell the tubes in increments that will fit inside another snugly use two glued one inside the other for extra strength. There are MANY places you can find tubes suitable for blow guns. Whatever you see in movies or whatever where someone takes someone out with a 10-15cm long blowgun from 30 feet with a poison dart is pure BS. |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 07:05 PM
well i have a 4 foot length of 1/2" pvc that i will use. i am still trying to make some good darts though. i am thinking a fin on a pencil (the pencil being like 3-4 inches long). when i try that i will tell you all how it works. ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 14, 2000 08:05 PM
this was the dart i used in the 3/4" 4 foot long pvc blow gun and it worked VERY VERY WELL!!! i have since filled in the little gap so it works even better. it is sorta acurate but it more than makes up for it in penetration. i shot it at my hardwood wall from about 20 feet and on a fairly good blow it penetrated like 1/2 cm and was really stuck in there. i used a tiny screw driver for the dart and duct tape and toilet paper for the fin. i used the tolit paper to make the end flare out like that. ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited March 05, 2000).] |
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West Frequent Poster |
posted February 15, 2000 12:38 AM
 for distance you need weight .. the above is a common shoestring dart encased within a 75gr .25 cal bullet.. it flys strait and hard. Although i would recommend you tone it down to .22 as the long tail needed for the .25 does provides a bit too much friction up the pipe (i use an aluminium arrow shaft). also the larger of the darts on makeshift arsenal seems to have a rather low drag design. [This message has been edited by West (edited February 15, 2000).] |
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BaDSeeD Frequent Poster |
posted February 15, 2000 12:32 PM
Well if penetration is the problem.. try putting the shoe lace dart in a pneumatic pellet gun like i said. You should get a lot better results. Or use a longer barrel... but any blowgun is going to depend on how well you can "blow". So get down on your knee's little men and practice!!! LOL J/K One of the other things i tried when i was younger... now this was with a commercial blowgun, and darts.. but i dont see why it wouldnt work with a homeade one. I had at the time a super soaker 300 i believe (big backpack tank, and the cam action trigger/lever on top) well as it turned out.. the connector for the two pieces of the blowgun fit snug over the nozzel of the water gun. All i simply did (time consuming but simple) was pump the hell out of the gun with JUST air, and shoot the blowgun with that. Without exageration... i had 10 times more velocity and penetration with the supersoaker than my best breath shot ever gave me (gotta quit smoking Hope that helps. ------------------ |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 15, 2000 03:23 PM
yes weight is definetly a big factor. i got my little shoe string dart and my hevier dart (above) going about the same speed (hell the "shoe string" dart went faster) but the added weight made this one fly harder and longer. one suggestion that i have though is when using a blow gun (do not use 3/4" pvc by the way it is a tad to big...it works but i bet 1/2 would work better) make the dart a LITTLE bigger than the bore and make the extra stuff flexable. so when you blow there is a build up of air behind the dart before it actually goes. the sudden push makes it go much faster. ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited March 05, 2000).] |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 15, 2000 07:14 PM
Here is another dart i made. i tried out a longer lighter shaft and it worked much better then the one above. (the reason i added the duct tape in front was because the pen i was using for the shaft broke and i did not want ink everywhere. if i was to suggest a method in making these it would be fairly long with only enough mass to give it some feel (like you can feel it when holding it. unlike a pin attached to a shoe string) this went very fast (faster than the one above) it easily penetrated sheet rock and cardboard at 20 feet. of course you could always add a steel tip to it using duct tape. ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 15, 2000 08:31 PM
it penetrated with the tip of the bic pen still in tact. i did not bind it in duct tape till the end (so i could scan it) ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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poison Frequent Poster |
posted February 17, 2000 02:32 PM
Why just not use a piece or Al piping you can git it in small sizes my blowgun is made of aircraft al and is 40cal x 24in long and it is pritty powerfull you can make it longer as long as you want ive seen some that are 6 feet tall. -Poison |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted February 17, 2000 04:59 PM
the reason i used this was because this is what i had around the house...i did not go out and buy it. ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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DaRkDwArF Frequent Poster |
posted February 18, 2000 08:38 PM
Hell a good blowgun has to be at least 1m long at the least, I've seen a 4-5m blowgun used by a South african native before, they put poision on their darts by extracting poision from behind the eye of a native toad |
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BaDSeeD Frequent Poster |
posted February 18, 2000 10:16 PM
Just an added word here on the blowgun length. The commercially bought blowgun that i have is made of annodized aluminum, and is 6 1/2 feet long, not too bad to transport because it is two piece. It is if i'm not mistaken .36 cal. I recently fired it through a chrony and at 10 feet from the muzzle, i was getting 190 feet per second. I tried it again... this time with the super soaker (see previous post) and got a whopping 510 feet per second!!! Just thought that was some pretty good numbers. Laterz ------------------ |
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Dr-D Frequent Poster |
posted March 01, 2000 03:55 PM
The hardware store sells straight pieces of copper pipe, this summer I will get a short section of small diameter pipe and make a blow gun out of it. For added force you could use a blowgun (see air compressor section) hooked up to a small pvc air tank and use short bursts to fire out the darts. the PSI would only be limited on the type of rubber air hose you use and the diameter of PVC pipe. I played with a friends blow gun once, shot it at a dart board, then put the dart in and didn't push it in all the way until it clicked, I blew very hard and it stuck in the dart board very hard, we had to use pliars to get it out and it was marred up from the force we had to use to pull it out. Ouch. [This message has been edited by Dr-D (edited March 01, 2000).] |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted March 04, 2000 07:19 PM
I went to the hardware store today and bought a 5 foot long 1/2 inch piece of copper pipe. (the other blowgun i think i said was 1/2 inch but in reality it was 3/4 or an inch) needless to say the 1/2 inch copper pipe works much better (i dare say 10-15 fold) it is longer than my other one and the smaller bore makes for faster shooting darts and it is easier to fire. i will make some darts up either tonight or tomorrow and test fire them with the smaller bore/longer pipe and post my results here. (does anyone know what cal 1/2 inch is?) ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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Ho ju Moderator |
posted March 04, 2000 08:03 PM
this dart was amazing with the copper pipe. even with the blunt nose of the pencil it still easily broke into cardboard at 15 feet with only a slighty strong blow. ------------------ http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth |
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