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Lice[4K] A New Voice	posted March 10, 2000 09:03 PM I have tried both larger and smaller tubes and the smaller tube can shoot a dart much harder than the larger one. If you think about it the smaller dart isnt getting more force applied. It just weighs much less so it can accelerate much faster and needs less energy to go the same distance as a big dart. Lice
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 10, 2000 11:32 PM that might be true, and this is what i thought when i started shooting these. but bigger, heavier darts are much better (to a point) i can get a smaller dart and a larger one (like 2x as heavy) going the same speed, with the same accuracy. but the heavier dart has more force behind it so it can hit harder. when i blow the darts i do not blow as hard as i can. it makes the dart fly wacky. i have expiremented and founbd the perfect blow for a small and larger darts ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 11, 2000 12:23 AM Ive said it before, and I'll say it again, it all depends upon ones ability to blow air through a tube. Humans will have a shorter range of optimal tube diameters. Its very hard to make this clear, especially when people don't listen. Let's say a teenage male's breath is the equivalent of a rifle primer. And the adult male's breath is the equivalent of a .22lr. How well will the primer propell a bullet down a .22 barrel? How well will the .22lr's powder load propell the bullet down the barrel? Now lets say were going to shoot a projectile out of a 1mm barrel. Which will be more efficient at doing so? Just because you cant shoot a dart well out of a 3/4" diameter blow gun doesnt mean its not better. Just means your breath isnt capable of taking full advantage of the larger bore.
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 02:06 AM Didn't i say something like this also... I equated success with mouth size aswell as air output... no need to get snippy ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited March 11, 2000).]
nbk2000 Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 02:19 AM Here's the scan I mentioned. It seems like the best way to use the blowgun is to use a tube as large as you can handle without losing velocity. A CO2 tire inflator or super-soaker will out do anyones lungs, but you can't always get one. Heavy darts will travel further and hit harder than light darts at the same velocity because they have more momentum. But light darts take less effort to reach full speed. To be useful against people you would need to use heavy darts anyways. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." [This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited March 11, 2000).]
Zanx Frequent Poster	posted March 11, 2000 05:34 AM What I meant is, if you have a limited amount of pressure, like your mouth and lungs, then if you use all that pressure to push a smaller diameter dart, the smaller dart will go farther than the larger diamter one using the same amount of pressure. If you can get a total of 100 pounds of pressure pushing a 1" diameter dart, it will be better than if you get the same total amount of pressure pushing a smaller dart. But to push the larger dart with the same total pressure as the smaller dart requires a lot more initial pressure. Of course, if you got a a tiny little pipe that was only like 1 mm diameter, then it wouldn't work well because it would be so hard to blow through, and there would be so much resistance. I agree with Ho ju, the best way to find out is to see for yourself and actually test different diameters. and like VeHeMT said, it depends on the person blowing. NBK, (and others), I think you are talking about the amount of pressure actually pushing the dart, while I was talking about the actual amount of pressure needed in the first place to push the dart. It's dumb if people start debating something only to find out that they were actually debating separate things, so they may both/all be right. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case though. For blowguns, you just need to find out what works best for you.
West Frequent Poster	posted March 11, 2000 07:46 AM I'll still stick with the exact opposite of you zanx.. It takes more pressure in the lungs to start a smaller diametre dart (of the same weight) moving. people claim that the larger diametre pipe they used didnt make the dart go as far as the smaller diametre, to make a statement like that you should also tell how the darts were made... if its the same dart with simply a larger tail you defeat the purpose by creating a huge amount of drag..
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 02:43 PM I agree with the fact that a smaller dart can be propelled faster but once it exits the barrel it is at the mercy of the air flow. even on a day with NO wind when you launch a smaller dart it will still be buffited because of how fast it is going (that is why i say do not blow as hard as you can, it makes the darts go all screwy) but with a larger dart you can get it going almost as fast but it can ALSO handle the force of wind when it is flying through the air. this is why i can get my larger darts to shoot farther and hit harder at longer ranges. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 07:03 PM On a side note. if anyone is thinking of using a coat hanger as the base for the dart make sure that it is fairly long. i just tried to use a short piece and it does not work very well. nt enough weight in the front end. in excess of 3 inches is probly the best. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Zanx Frequent Poster	posted March 12, 2000 08:07 AM There's no use in me presenting my argument again, but I will add one or two things. West, if you are using a smaller diameter dart, you are going to want to use a lighter dart, not one of the same weight as if you were using a much larger one. NBK, the usual use of blowguns as a weapon is with poison, so you don't need a huge dart. Anyway, it would take a pretty big dart to do much damage by itself unless you're lucky, very accurate, or close to your target, and get it to hit right where you want it to.
West Frequent Poster	posted March 13, 2000 04:25 AM good time to change topic ay, heres nbk's - heat the wire, belt it flat, file into shape and sharpen dart head. she'd be a good bird hunting dart, needles tend to stick in, fall out bird flys away and dies a couple minutes later... no prob with this one.. can everyone detail their best dart please? [This message has been edited by West (edited March 13, 2000).]
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 13, 2000 03:17 PM I had my dart pictures posted but then my site got shut down for some reason or another so i can't. basicly what is was, was about 6" of coat hanger. a funnel made out of paper that i stuck on one end. i duct taped the funnel on and used the duct tape to make the fin have the perfect fit with my 1/2" copper pipe. these work very well. never got around to making it into a broadhead dart though. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
West Frequent Poster	posted March 18, 2000 12:20 AM you could try using a piece of balsa dowel instead of the funnel thing.. shitload easier, maybe better.

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