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VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 28, 2000 10:40 PM Something I missed there. The next alternative would be to shoot it down. Some information and insight on this is found at nbk2000's webpage. ------------------ VeHeMT's Armoury
Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 02:10 AM I also, agree, you are a complete RETARD with stuid retarded ideas, shut the fuck up. The risk is not worth it. A motorcycle cannot handle as good as a car, espically not 60 mph in a residental area. If you looked backwards for a second, you would hit something. How would you like to run over spike strips doing 60 mph on a motorcycle with your fat ass friend behind you? Next time you dream I hope you fall asleep and never wake up. ------------------ Feticidal Fantasy- http://www.darksites.com/souls/vampires/feticidal/ "Keep your gun as your constant companion."
uss3cs Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 03:11 AM think about WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY SAYING! there are 2 people on this bike. if the guy on the back with a GUN looks back. and the rider is still looking forward. nothing is gonna happen. if you dont got your man with you then i guess you cant fucking look back can you ? no! and have you ever heard of anyone using spike strips for a motorcycle ? hell no! the idea is to get him to SAFLY slow down! now if the gunner on back had a small rocket laucnher with him holding a small rocket with a warhead full of chaff and he fired that rocket up into the air and it sent chaff near the chopper wouldnt that seriously FUCK up his electronics ? or at least the ones that fallow you ? chaff is amazing shit i know that.
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 04:01 AM good grief where do you get your ideas from? a rocket launcher with a chaff loaded rocket would do absolutely nothing to a helicopter's electronics. all chaff is is a bunch of metal cut up into strips or powder or whatever. it's just metal. chaff confuses radar guided missles because the radar in the missle picks it up and thinks its the airplane supposedly then blows up far away from the plane. now it is possible to interpret your post two different ways, one being the chaff messes up the electronics so they can't do anything in the cockpit and two, the chaff messes up the electronics so they can't see anything with their imaging system. on point one, first of all, i am fairly sure most helicopters have dual ac and dc electric systems that are independent of each other. i know this is true of apache's but others might not be so complicated. either way, to make the instruments quit working you would basically have to blow the rotor off (and even then they would have power till they crashed as long as the shaft was spinning) or you could use a massive emp bomb which you and your friend on the motorcycle won't have or be able to put together for that matter in the next hundred years. if you are under the impression that chaff would mess up an electronic imaging system it will do no such thing. imaging systems used for tracking individuals or objects that give off infrared heat at night are simply a camera without IR filters so they see "more" than normal cameras. this lets them see people, cars, marijuana, whatever they are looking for. if you shot a bunch of shredded metal at it the pilot would see a sparkle maybe as it was all blown away by the rotors and you would be out of luck. also a note on imaging systems... the ones the military use are way better than normal and if you for some reason got the military tracking you... it's all over. the most professional night vision available costs around $4000 US if i remember correctly. the IR imagers on apaches cost a million each. they can see your footprints long after you're gone and it looks exactly the same at night as it does during the day. you can take your hand and trace it in a pattern on the wall then go look at the wall through one of these and see the pattern your finger traced along with all the studs in the wall and the nails and any other things that cause heat anomalies... and since virtually everything does guess what, you can see EVERYTHING with one of these. if you could ever devise a homemade rocket launcher loaded with shredded metal that would somehow disable such a device, my friend, you could probably become the wealthy dictator of a third world country. i'm sure quite a few people would pay for technology like that. ~m3nth~
Predator Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 07:32 AM Hmm the electronics..... a helicopter is only as good to the ground units as the information it feeds back to them... if they couldn't recieve the info on your whereabouts, or it was scrambled you might have a chance of getting away.... I posted something about my radio jammer a while back, but did not post the plans because of the inherant danger to commercial passengers planes as some of you go out to "test" the device, but if it was used in this scenario then it'd make the helicopter pretty much useless... silence the helicopter and then lead it into a ambush to get rid of it ----------- If they're prepared for you, you lose. Hit them with something they aren't expecting [This message has been edited by Predator (edited January 29, 2000).]
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 12:34 PM Was the jammer a badly tuned tesla coil or what? EMP sounds like a nice idea, but hard as hell to implement with current technology. But then again if you want 2 people and a 100 pound pulse capacitor on your bike go ahead. What about using a maser or some other microwave energy to disturb proper electronic functions? ------------------ VeHeMT's Armoury
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 29, 2000 01:39 PM chaff would not qwork at all. maybe in the brief second or do that the chaff was blocking the transmission to the ground would it work but you have to remember the heli keeps moving...past the chaff. face it man a heli=capture unless you are EXTREMELY LUCKY!!! ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 04:43 PM You think if your on a motorcycle shooting at people, armed with silly rockets and shooting them at helicopters and shit that the cops are going to give a rats ass if they stop you safely or not? HAA You start blasting people the cops WILL STOP YOU. They'll set a spike strip, or bump you with their car, and call in a crew to squeege whats left of your ass off the road. You want something smaller and more maneuverable, try a yamaha banshee. Its twin 350's can get a decent road speed, and has excelent offroad possibilities.. but give me a 4x4 any day. If the cops get on your tail... head offroad where they'l get stuck in the mud, drive through creeks, up steep grades, anywhere they cant follow you... and then you get away. ------------------ Knowledge is the true power, ignorance will bring your demise.
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 09:16 PM a radio jammer? that wouldn't do squat either unless it was an old one manufactured by the military in which case it would also probably be too large to fit on a motorcycle and besides who wants to be that close to that much radiation... VeHeMT... i have placed a technical powerpoint presentation on emp bombs in the forum's storage area. i find it rather fascinating considering it will destroy electronics of all kinds. i think this would be an interesting project to make even on a small scale as it could completely knock out fones, computers and other electronics from blocks away. to whoever runs the storage area, if it gets too full you are welcome to delete this file, it is large (861k) and i'm sure whoever wants it will download it. http://www.angelfire.com/va2/imagestorage/images/m3nth/ebomb.ppt ~m3nth~
Predator Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 10:31 PM No no, this one can fit inside a motorcycle storage box quite easily. and it can run off batteries or physical work. It is conntinuous until sqitched off, providing a shit load of electrical interference, all they get on the communications is a lot of garbled up noise. And to increase it's effectivenss, you could use more than 1, say about.. 5 if you wanted to garuantee complete jamming, and this will still fit in the motorcycle storage box.
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 29, 2000 11:00 PM pred, because i have no knowledge of elec. can you email me the plans to make your jammer and try and use laymans terms if possible. thanks it would come in real handy for me ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
uss3cs Frequent Poster	posted January 30, 2000 05:45 AM i know chaff well completely fuck up powerlines if it floats into them. i realize most wires are plastic covered but where they connect usually isnt if theres a panel of electronics in the front of the heli isnt all the wires in the very front ? if you sent a missle that penetraded into the chopper an inch before exploding into chaff....... wait what the hell am i thinking you might as well just fucking shoot it out of the air!
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 30, 2000 07:09 AM If you keep upgrading your bike and equipment, then the point of using fast common mortorcycle and small arms to disrupt is lost, it became "super-fast-dual-wheel-vehicle-with-two- one-minded-personnels-and-all-the-good-stuff-plus-good-marksmanship-and-jackpot-luck." Face it, a mortorcycle doesn't even have armor on it, and the driver will screw up after long run, it's not as stable as common vehicles, the team do sabotage in the city then they are right in the city, there are other cars on the road to block it, the cop just keep following them and wait for them to hit something.

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