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nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 21, 2000 02:40 AM Just a little something I whipped up on my way back home. $2 can of starting fluid (ether), $3 spray paint can handle, tape, and matchbook ingiter. Just yank on the matchbook igniter and squeeze the trigger. The thing flames out 4-6 feet. Enough to take care of an aggresive dog, or a home intruder. People can have no fear of a gun because of drugs, but the fear of fire is so primal and universal that no amount of drugs will counter the fear. NO ONE charges into a flame (and live). And body armor doesn't protect against fire. This is too small for use against SWAT, but the idea can be scaled up using a fire extinguisher filled with napalm. I'll post a picture of the flame next week. I know this seems rather basic, but I had to ditch the shotgun after the cops came. And I'm being harrassed by the neighbors and don't like being unarmed. I feel much safer with a flamethrower. Wouldn't you? ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 21, 2000 03:43 PM what did the cops come to your house for? ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 21, 2000 06:12 PM It's either figure of speech or the police are being sensitive to the title picture on nbk's site named "cop killing"
Apathetic Frequent Poster	posted January 21, 2000 07:50 PM Killer_elite once posted something similar.Instead of using matches he used an electric grill ignitor. Heres the link: http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000024.html
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 21, 2000 11:14 PM The cops came by because these little shits who are constantly hankging out in the laundry room right next to my bedroom, slamming doors and playing loud music at night, told the cops that I "hit and beat them them with a coat hanger". Total bullshit and the cops knew it. The parents are tweakers and the kids are like the children in the movie "Children of the Corn". Then the cops came about somebody else, and some of the "parents" told those cops the same shit. They came by and I told them the same thing as the first cops, and they split. Fortunately I won't have to put up with them much longer since the building is being condemmend and everyone is moving out. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 22, 2000 07:25 AM I thought about using the BBQ lighter, but the fact that I'd have to use both hands (1 for lighter, 1 for can) killed that idea. Matches are KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) and failproof. Lighters have the tendency to break or not light when you most need them. Besides which, how many times to you need to light it? It's not shown in the picture above because I added it later, but I have 3 extra ingiters taped to the handle. Just pull and light. If you need to light up more than 4 times to defend yourself, your in a seriously fucked up situation and need a better weapon. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
DaRkDwArF Frequent Poster	posted January 24, 2000 06:15 AM I'm gonna post up the pics of me using my "Mini Dragon" about this time tommorow if I get the time ok, oh you'll all get to see what I look like then, I wore the white to "deflect" the heat =)
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 26, 2000 07:25 AM Well, I test fired my dragon yesterday. It had about a 3 yard flame. I wanted to take a picture but my friend didn't want any pictures of something like that taken with any of his neighborhood in the background. I told him I'd photoshop it out, but he didn't want it, so. But it does work quite nicely. And once the flame is lit it will keep burning without an external ignition source as long as you don't move the dragon around too fast. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
§ unregistered	posted January 26, 2000 08:03 AM i would have thought the paint sprayer would direct the spray in a long vertical pattern.. did you modify the nozel?
Bandit Frequent Poster	posted January 26, 2000 12:35 PM Can you get starting fluid in England? Whats its use? Also could it be subsituted for a can of butane/lighter gas? Cheers for any help. Bandit
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 26, 2000 02:00 PM i would think butane gas would not work because when you try and light it it would not get directed outward just one big "puff" ball if front of the nozzle. has anyone ever used a can of raid? a friend and i once used a can in the same fashion of NBK's pocket dragon, minus the handle of course we just held a match in front of the stream(and if you have ever used a can of raid the stream is LONG and thin ) so when you light it on fire it all gets directed to one place about 6 feet in fron of you. that and the can is bigger so you would get more shots. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 26, 2000 06:39 PM Without checking on what the actual RAID spray contains, I'm going to say that the most probable reason why the RAID burns is because of the propellant. The propellant is now commonly (no more cfc's remember :]) propane or butane or a combination of the two. So, it shouldnt be any different then using a can of butane. Can someone check to se if the actual RAID spray has any flammable liquids in it? If not, then your better off with a can of butane, which is still not very good sense its just a gas burning. You want that liquid stream of burning fuel coming out of your flamethrower, not a monster butane lighter ------------------ VeHeMT's Armoury
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 26, 2000 07:47 PM yeah when we lit the can of raid there was along stream of bruning flame. that is why i suggested it over the gas... ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 26, 2000 09:40 PM Butane wouldn't be a very good idea. It's the same as propane in being a gas liquified under pressure. You want something that's an actual liquid when sprayed. The raid burns because the pesticide is dissolved in hydrocarbon solvents like hexane. But when it burns, it creates a cloud of toxic smoke from the burning pesticide. You breath that shit in and your not going to be feeling too good. Starting fluid, containing ether and hexane, burns very hot and, being a fluid, can be sprayed on a target before ignition to increase the flammability of the target. The fireball from the dragon would easily engulf a man if you aim at his feet. And it burned hot enough to heat my face hot to the touch. A big plus is that if you don't have an igniter, or it misfires, you can still hose them with a cloud of ether. This will knock them out very quickly. Sort of a non-lethal weapon. Unless they're smoking ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 26, 2000 09:56 PM not to detract from the subject or anything but that would be a damn good way to get revenge on some loser who pisses you off. wait till they light up a butt or joint and then spray him in the face/cigg with starter fluid!!! ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
§ unregistered	posted January 27, 2000 02:44 AM so.. did you modify the nozel or not?, since you avoided the question ill assume your full of shit until you produce this picture you came up with a half arsed excuse for.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 27, 2000 05:17 AM What if you fire a butane/propane thing upside down? it would force out much more gases(liquid gas->gas), won't be more powerful than firing gasoline but it's safer to play.. And nbk I came across something on patend site, an ignition device, like a gun, uses hammer to strike on piezoelectric material (guess can get it from spark plugs) then tap out the hi-volt current to create a spark gap.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 27, 2000 07:24 AM I forgot to answer your question, not avoid it, §. No, I didn't modify the nozzle in any way. The handle just allows you to push down on the nozzle button by pulling a trigger. Now, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY I'M FULL OF SHIT?! If you don't think it works exactly as I've described, then build one yourself and try it out ASSHOLE! Prove me wrong (with pictures :p) or shut up. My friend is the one who came up with the lame excuse, I'm just repeating what he said. He didn't mind firing it off. But he's scared of police and real paranoid about the 'net. I'm in the middle of a crowded city apartment complex, surrounded by dope fiends, and police are through here at all hours of the day and night. I'm NOT going to get my self busted for your enlightenment. Now register or get lost. Ho Ju, I don't know if the starter fluid will ignite from the ember of a cigarette. It may need an open flame. But it may not. Care to test it out and tell us? Just light up a cig, stick it on a fence post, and spray. I wouldn't spray for more than a second or 2, because if your spraying a lot and then it ignites, you may get blasted by a FAE. HMTD, the piezo igniter from lighters can be removed. Maybe it could be mounted inside the handle with the button protruding out the top of the handle. A wire runs from the igniter and would be set with a gap right in front of the nozzle. The spark would jump from the wire to the metal can body. But maybe the starter fluid has to be in a fine mist for it to ignite and the fluid straight from the nozzle wouldn't be able to be ignited by a small spark since it's not in a fine mist and it's moving so fast. One time I accidently flipped over a propane torch while it was lit and the flame got a LOT bigger. So it might be possible. I think the flamethrowers they use in the movies use liquid propane like that for a big flame with no splattering like a real flamethrower would. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
§ unregistered	posted January 27, 2000 08:04 AM pffft.. and we're the third world country.... ha.
§ unregistered	posted January 27, 2000 08:26 AM BTW - i meant the nozel (muzzel) on the gun thing, what the fuck are you talking about.
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 27, 2000 03:10 PM I had one of those dual gas butane/N2O torches, and when I held the thing upside down(needed to torch something but I had to hold it at an angle because it wouldnt fit right) the fucking butane went "WHOOSH" and it blew the N2O out(it has to be perfectly balanced or the N2O wont burn) but then the butane flame got really big and starting melting the plastic(yes plastic,... on a torch, thats fucked up) things that control the gas flow. then after they melted away(I didnt try to stop it, I ran) the flame got really big for about 2 seconds... then when the flame was dying down the N2O lit back up. and boy was that a site... the torch flew back a few feet then there was a nice blue flash... that wasnt really helpfull but I just wanted to share it since where talking about fires §: how is he full of shit? what kind of idiot(I'am not calling you an idiot nbk read on..) is not able to catch a stream of flammable liquid on fire? even if nbk had an IQ of 50 he could still do that... but he probably has and IQ of about 130, you are the one with the IQ of 50... I have been making these "flamethrowers" (without the handle) since I was 4.. NBK: how hot do these things burn(it has been a long time, and when I made them I was scared of an explosion so i only burned them for a few seconds). if you put it up to some brush how long would it take to catch fire? ------------------ C:\>deltree C:\ are you sure? y/n: y BEEP!
vos A New Voice	posted January 27, 2000 07:31 PM Hehe...thing looks like fun! I think I'll rig one up, except for ignition Ill use a zippo lighter...Thing would really scare the shit out of some people.. ------------------ 'To create life you must also destroy life...'
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 27, 2000 08:06 PM I don't know the exact temperature it burns at, but it's very hot. The fire radiates enough heat to make your skin flush and there's no smoke at all, indicating complete combustion. 2 seconds should be all you need to ignite dry brush. Add another 2 seconds for damp brush. §, I already explained about the grip only pushing down on the button. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 28, 2000 12:08 AM 300-400c maybe? Anybody else? ------------------ VeHeMT's Armoury
§ unregistered	posted January 28, 2000 01:09 AM I apologise, my way of thinking how the gun worked is very much ..... fucked.

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