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m3nth Frequent Poster	posted February 05, 2000 11:26 PM a note to all you pyros.... these little pocket dragon things... they ROCK. but you know what, i went to walmart to get stuff and they will card you for stuff like lighter fluid and glue and all sorts of crap. i didn't have my driver's license on me and the lady got ANAL. this big black lady, and there was this big ol black guy too that came over and he was just as anal as she was about seeing a license. so i left with the rest of my purchases and came back in thirty seconds later with a friend that had his license on him and the SAME EXACT BLACK GUY that had made the lady not sell me what i was getting got COMPLTELY anal about the bags of stuff me and the friend had. like what does everyone smoke crack here or what? i could not believe it. i felt like a ground-down oppressed citizen being trampled on by the all mighty government and their multitude of regulations. maybe i could get some of my rights sometime and flush them down the toilet... it would sure be a lot more fun than letting the government do it for me. story in short, find someone 18 to buy you the $5 worth of parts you will need if you are making one of these. i had the thoughts of running back inside with the can hooked up to show the guy what i was going to use it for (maybe a six foot flame past his nose) but... ah... civilty is a good thing sometimes... i did not want to be hauled off to jail. ~m3nth~
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted February 05, 2000 11:29 PM i think a few modifications to make this thing auto-ignite are in order as well. cigarette lighters just aren't swell when you spray the stuff on your hand and then it lights up. ~m3nth~
Ho ju Moderator	posted February 06, 2000 01:03 AM is there any way you could rig it up so a bbq ignitor lit just as the flame passed through it? (like with a click of the handle the spark would jump right after the spray...) ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 06, 2000 02:41 AM I can't believe they gave you a hassle about this kind of shit. You can find the parts at the grocery store or hardware store no problem. Anyways, I've modified the dragon by taping a paper clasp (black metal clamp with folding arms that you use to open the clamp) in front of the nozzle so after firing off the ignite, you just open it (clamp), and insert a new igniter. Takes less than 10 seconds. Electric ignition might be possible. I'm thinking a small nichrome wire coil placed in front of the nozzle, a pushbutton switch on the handle, and a 9 volt battery in the handle. The coil gets red hot and (hopefully) ignites the ether. If not, substitute a model rocket igniter covered with a mix of ground matches and glue. but then the problem becomes how to change the igniter after it's burned out the first time you use it. Matches are the simplest, and I think the best. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
Ho ju Moderator	posted February 06, 2000 01:01 PM yeah they are the best unless you are in some windy alley in chicago or NYC where you would really need something like this. i thik the battery getting hot would work onces utill you sprayed it with the fluid and then the next time you used it it would take a lot longer for it to get hot because the crap would act like a cooling agent. maybe you could use a circut that generates a continus spark between a gap. that would work well. just switch it on (maybe have the switch on your belt of hell maybe even on the can) and fire the fluid throught he spark. when you stop firing the spark will still be there so you can easily fire again. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted February 06, 2000 03:15 PM yeah i could not believe they gave me such a hard time either. the parts are easily available (and the handles i found were only $2 for 2 of them--make that $3 pocket dragon) and i'm sure at any normal auto store they wouldn't think twice about selling it to you. i guess the little register at walmart tells the lady to card people. and for all of you internationals... don't mind my blabbering, i'm sure you can get the stuff no problem. i have a continuous sparking circuit made that i could use that runs off batteries... a lot of information on those has been posted under the stun gun updated thread. it is kinda too big for use though... i was thinking something smaller like a grill lighter that would mount on the handle but i don't have one laying around. also someone mentioned this stuff starting off a cigarette... won't happen. i sprayed it on burning hot paper that had just been blown out and was still burning red hot due to wind. nada. gotta have a spark or flame to make it go. if i get around to buying one or taking any pictures i will post about it. ~m3nth~
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 06, 2000 10:18 PM Smoldering paper is a lot different than a cigarette. Cigarettes have a red hot core that burns at like 1,500 degrees. Plus more surface area for the fumes to ignite from. A red hot coil, if able to ignite the ether, wouldn't have any trouble heating up again for a second shot. Even if cooled well below freezing, it would take only an extra moment for it to heat up. Light bulbs in the freezer don't take any longer to come on. Matches will still work even in a high wind for at least a few seconds while the match compound is burning. One important point to remember is to always be upwind of your target. Wind will blow the flame back in your face. Not good. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
Ho ju Moderator	posted February 06, 2000 10:29 PM the only problem with the match thing though is that once the match goes out the stream of fire goes out. you can't sustain the flame without a match (but if you keep the flame going the match will not go out). so in hindsight a half second spark wouldn't work. i would think the very best thing to do is have a continues spark then the match thing. someone should try it with a cigg. i do not smoke and i do not really want to "bum" one off anyone i know. sorry ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
West Frequent Poster	posted February 07, 2000 12:19 AM someone should try pouring petrol on the ground and igniting it with a cigarette.. it wont be easy. especially with the chilled fuel..
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 07, 2000 04:20 AM Actually Ho ju I tested out the match theory when I was visiting my friend. I started spraying the fuel and had my friend throw a match into the fuel cloud. It ignited and as long as I kept spraying, the fire kept burning. There is a burning zone of fuel that the fresh fuel keeps burning. And you can wave it around without it going out as long as you move slow enough for the burning zone to stay fueled. And comparing a puddle of gasoline to atomized ether is like comparing the flammability of a rubber tire to gasoline. Ether is MUCH more volatile than gasoline, and atomized fuel is in a much more combustible form than a monolithic form like a puddle. When I'm at my friends palce next time, I'll try the cigarettes, see if it will work. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted February 13, 2000 10:38 PM sorry if these pics are too big but i really like them up close and personal. just in case you haven't a clue what one of these wonderful devices is capable of. the wall is made out of standard cinder blocks which i guess are not too standard for internationals but you get the idea. ~m3nth~
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted February 13, 2000 11:41 PM i seriously screwed up the width of this page... guess i will keep that in mind next time i want to cause havoc... post a 1x200,000 size graphic. anyway if anyone has complaints i guess i could go through the trouble of getting them resized or something. i sure do like them big though. ~m3nth~
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 14, 2000 12:58 AM I used photoshop to measure the flames. Assuming the body of the can is 6" then the flames are between 5' and 6' long with a diameter of 2' at the end before flare out. There may be a difference in the various makes of starting fluid because my dragon puts out about 7' - 9' flames. I use SNAP brand starting fluid, part #S-540. Maybe a comparison of different brands would be in order. I'm sure there must be differences in the formulations that would affect the flame size. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted February 14, 2000 04:54 PM mmmmm yes that would be interesting indeed except i chucked my empty can already. maybe when i get another one sometime. ~m3nth~

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