Archive: Acetone peroxide - The Explosives and Weapons Forum

Note: This is an archived topic. It is read-only.

The Explosives and Weapons Forum

The 2000 Archive

Acetone peroxide (Page 2)

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone!

profile | register | preferences | faq | search

This topic is 3 pages long: 1 2 3
This topic was originally posted in this forum: Explosives

Author	Topic: Acetone peroxide
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted March 19, 2000 02:07 AM since this is all about ap i will say that ap putty seems to do very well at keeping the ap from disappearing. i am wondering though... how sensitive does it get the longer you keep it? a friend of mine has two of his batches of ap putty (40 grams) that has been sitting out in the open (not airtight container) for probably at least a month if not more. i think he made it w/ hercules red dot and his batches are like, the 8:3:1 ratio w/ 3% peroxide, 100% acetone and 30% hcl -- where one batch is a 32fl oz bottle of h202 and corresponding amounts of acid and acetone. anyway i am scared to death of the stuff--he just leaves it sitting out like it's harmless. i have never heard a matchbox of the stuff go off before either but i think it would be pretty loud if it accidently went boom. badseed i would be interested to hear your results of finding 30% h202... i have not seen the stuff either or heard of a good place to get it but it makes sense that it would give really good results. all the directions i've seen for using it say you get white crystals in twenty minutes which is a _whole_ lot faster than a day in the fridge. anyway... anyone know how safe that stuff is my friend has laying around? i am kinda wondering how prone it is to autoignite at room temperatures... i know in general it is not safe so don't write a bunch of generalizations about how completely dumb it is to have it sitting around. ~m3nth~
Zanx Frequent Poster	posted March 19, 2000 07:22 AM Uberchlor, I never claimed to have actually used 100% hydrogen peroxide. I said I used the ratio, which was for 100%, but then figured out how much to use with my percentage of hydrogen peroxide. I explained how I figured out the right amounts of each chemical depending on the concentration back in my first post. It is still the same ratio, because even though the concentrations are different, the amount of pure hydrogen peroxide to pure acetone is the same. The highest concentration of hydrogen peroxide I have used is 12%. Where the heck would I find 100% hydrogen peroxide anyway? You are right, hydrogen peroxide of very high concentrations will ignite or explode on contact with organic compounds. The ratio of 9:50 is what Mega gave as the correct ratio for making acetone peroxide, using 100% pure chemicals.
Foxtrot83 Frequent Poster	posted March 19, 2000 03:16 PM Hey Hoju, It really is worth it to find the 30%. Your just wasting acetone and acid using the 3%. When I made the 3% I waited for close to 16 hours and didn't see a thing, I had to put in more hydrochloric acid than usual and wait another 2hrs. before any AP started to form. The yield wasn't even worth it, I just dried it and used it up right away. I don't know how you put up with that. And to BadSeed don't go to those department stores you'll never find it. Thats like going to RiteAid or K-mart, none of those places have pure hair bleach with just h202 and h20. Try to find a beauty supply store in your phone book. You'd think I'd have a harder time finding it in N.Y., unless your overseas then I wouldn't know where you should look. Also, does anyone know if that flash paper sold at magic shops have nitrocellulose in them. I read that it did, but it could be flash powder as well. Can someone confirm. ------------------ ~Foxtrot83~ Semper Fi
p0p unregistered	posted March 19, 2000 03:45 PM Read the thread, and since no one answered your question about battery electrolyte, here is the poop> Battery grade electrolyte is composed of pure (chemically pure usually) sulfuric acid and ultra pure or distilled water to give a specific gravity of 1.250. That means a gallon of it weighs 10 lbs. From Hndbk of Chem and Physics, sp gr of aqueous solutions, for Sulfuric Acid, sp gr 1.250 =34% sulfuric acid. So the ans in short is that it is purer than you can buy at chem stores unless you buy reagent grade at about 25$ a jug, and use distilled water. It is pure enough to use for AP, as is, but use 3 times as much as you would use of 100 (0r 95% for that matter) acid.
newbie1 Frequent Poster	posted March 19, 2000 04:33 PM I have %93 sulfuric acid, pure acetone, and %3 hydrogen peroxide. Would 600 ml h202, 100 ml acetone and 10 ml acid work well for me? More sulfuric acid? And I got 1 more question, does adding more acid harm your AP or just... do nothing to your yield? [This message has been edited by newbie1 (edited March 19, 2000).]
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster	posted March 19, 2000 10:01 PM pop.. thank you Very much for that info on the electrolite. I had tried a few different sources on the internet to find out some info on it... and kept coming up blank. Thank you. As for the 30% peroxide... i gave up the department stores and drug stores. Your right... good luck finding them there. All they have is the trendy shit... with the fragrences and other garbage. I looked for a few supply places... but being sunday... they were closed. I will try some others this week. ------------------ Knowledge is the true power, ignorance will bring your demise.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 20, 2000 12:02 AM Like a lot of you have stated, AP yields are dramatically larger with higher concentrations of H2O2. You have to make up for all that water in the lower concentrations of H2O2 which is a lot at 3%! ------------------ VeHeMT's Armoury
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 20, 2000 12:08 AM yes people have made up for the lowly 3 percent concentration. haven't you read all the posts? one even explains the conversion ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Foxtrot83 Frequent Poster	posted March 20, 2000 01:49 PM Hoju what do you mean, "made up"? Is it even possible to? Also about the nail polish containing nitrocellulose, will it make the AP putty better. Or will all the other stuff in it like glycerin, and fragrance make a more unstable and shitty product. I always read about AP putty being made with pure acetone and double-base smokeless powder. What about making it with ammonium nitrate, acetone, styrofoam, and AP. Would that be good, or would the ammonium nitrate be too hard to detonate in that manner. Kind of like a booster, even RDX could be used instead of ammonium nitrate or double-base smokeless powder. I'm just brainstorming right now, let me know what ya think. ------------------ ~Foxtrot83~ Semper Fi [This message has been edited by Foxtrot83 (edited March 20, 2000).]
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 20, 2000 05:28 PM What I meant by making up for all the water was that a lot of the acetone and acid are mixed with the useless water, so even if there was an equivalent amount of H2O2, the results would still be not equal that of a higher % of H2O2.
West Frequent Poster	posted March 21, 2000 05:56 AM Foxtrot: Having only used nail polish once on approx 1gram of putty im probly not qualified to say, but, yeh it does work, as for stability i dont know. If you can get double based smokeless powder (DPSP) obviously thats the thing to use styrofoam/ping pong balls etc. only detract from the power whereas DBSP contributes to it. Since the NC is used to bind the AP, you cant substatute NC for other explosives like RDX. What can be done is create a putty with AP/NC than one with RDX/NC, mould these into separate matchboxs and let dry. Glue these together with the NC paste leaving a fuse onto the AP/NC, now you got a zero shrapnel, 4 component high explosive Ive done this with PETN in place of RDX with spectacular results.
Foxtrot83 Frequent Poster	posted March 21, 2000 07:13 PM West, I didn't say to replace NC with ammonium nitrate, I said to mix ammonium nitrate, with styrofoam(which would be the binder), acetone(to melt the styrofoam), and Acetone Peroxide. This would be the AP Putty, and I also said could the RDX replace the ammonium nitrate, in the same recipe above. ------------------ ~Foxtrot83~ Semper Fi
West Frequent Poster	posted March 21, 2000 09:01 PM sorry, but your last sentence kinda implied that. Anyway, unless your making a shitload i dought AN will add much to the explosive.
newbie1 Frequent Poster	posted March 22, 2000 08:56 PM i know its a little of topic :P and should be in misc. but i would just like to share this- i made up a batch of A.P. and set it to dry on some paper towels. when it was dry i put it in a stool sample for dogs container (hard plastic about 2 match boxes) and shoved in some nice nitrocellulose covered fuse. when i went to light it up under and old rotted tree the nitro covering on the fuse burned burned very quickly down w/o burning the actual fusedown about 2 inches down (6 inch fuse) i guess some A.P. granuals were there and that was the last thing i remember before the bleeding and the high pitched EEEEEEEE!!!!!! also i couldnt see for about 15 seconds just bright white. my right hand thumb was closest to the blast and had plastic shrapnel in there not very big but about 60 (seriosly) bleeding tiny holes and a couple of big ones under my fingernail. very bloody and painfull. just wanted to share this with all ya- i think ill be a little more carefull from now on.
uberchlor unregistered	posted March 22, 2000 09:26 PM Yeah, Acetone peroxide is one of the most dangerous primary explosives known, and its only industrial use that i can think of, is for bleaching. I didn't think it could be done, but the amount of messages has exceeded the "Making ANNM" post...
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 22, 2000 09:38 PM That is why i have always prefered 20 feet of wire hooked up to an elec fuse on one end and a switch and battery on the other. very safe and you have total control over the whole explosion. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
BeethovenX A New Voice	posted March 22, 2000 09:58 PM Exactly how sensitive is acetone peroxide? I have all the needed supplies for it, but I'm kind of scared to make it. Has anyone had any bad experiences with acetone peroxide? (I DO mean other than newbie1) BeethovenX
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 22, 2000 10:37 PM Well just treat it with the same respect that you would treat your 80 year old gramma. do not knock her around, drop her, molest her or put a flame near her unless you have specific intentions. Use common sense man and you should be ok. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster	posted March 24, 2000 09:33 PM Well i'm not sure if you'd really call this a bad expirience with AP... but it was deffinatly a learning expirience. I had read how a lot of people would press some ap into a shotshell for use. So this is what i did. Only i filled the shell almost completely to the end of the crimp, pushed a fuse in through the primer hole, and put the shell in my shotgun shell press to close the crimp. No it didnt detonate when i pressed it, however, there must have been too much pressure on the AP inside the shotshell, as it DIDN'T explode. It didnt do anything. When i lit the fuse... i waited for it to burn down (about 15 seconds) and nothing. It just burned into the shell and AP.. but didn't det. Now either it was a lousy batch of AP, or AP has a dead press rating that i must have hit. Has anyone ever come across this? Or does anyone know what the dead press density of AP is? BaDSeeD ------------------ Knowledge is the true power, ignorance will bring your demise.
Pyroboy Frequent Poster	posted March 25, 2000 01:11 AM You pressed AP! what are you trying to do kill yourself or something!
azarack unregistered	posted March 25, 2000 07:37 AM G`day Can anyone tell me how AP explodes. I have a batch and it dos`nt seem to burn but goes off realy well when confined. Doe`s anyone know if this is used for stage effects(in small amounts).?
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 25, 2000 10:50 AM Sure, if you really didnt like the actors/actress' that much, or if you wanted some hardcore realism. As for the AP that didnt det, I dont know. But im sure it would at least ignite if it was going to detonate. BTW, what did you do with the device after?
azarack unregistered	posted March 25, 2000 07:34 PM G`day again the Ap dets but the debris does show any burns ? Makes a hell of a bang. It works really well in a stage connon,heaps of noise, not much shit flying out, whitch is great.(small amount= 1/16 teaspoon)
azarack unregistered	posted March 25, 2000 07:37 PM G`day I men`t to say no burns on the debris
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster	posted March 26, 2000 04:24 AM I didnt press the AP.. i was closing the crimp on the shell pyroboy. And from personal expirience... it isnt the pressure that sets off an explosive, its a sudden impact. A shotgun press does not have a sudden impact. ------------------ Knowledge is the true power, ignorance will bring your demise.

This topic is 3 pages long: 1 2 3 All times are ET (US)	This is an ARCHIVED topic. You may not reply to it!

	Hop to:

Contact Us | The Forum