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HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted March 11, 2000 06:25 PM It's nickel or platinum to be used as hydrogenation catalysts, petrollium and food companies use them, even with proper temperature, stirring and the catalyst, it take hours to do the job, and I have never heard of any method simply bubbling hydrogen into oils to hydrogenate it. Nitromethane can dissolve oils more than methanol do. So I can't say a word about things that can't work? Might surprise you to say that I am not on the pro side concerning the subject of explosive information distribution, that's why I only talk about it with people that I have some idea who they are and what they are up to. I am not making a website of explosives if you point a gun at me. I am pretty sure you guys know what kind of stuff I won't help with, like some guys asked how to whack the steel door of a building for breaking in. A website of such devastating potential is not worth built only to impress/inform a few. The reason why I didn't post a picture or any kind of project I build is because I don't care if I post it or not. (The small gun I built you know? still playing with it and now it is capable of creating a huge muzzle flash, tapping the gas out with a homemade flash hider, it will show the flash in a cross shape, a flaming X in the dark, adding copper chloride into the powder charge will make the flash green. If I am into something, I am into something.) NBK, yourself built a plumbing shotgun and a pocket dragon and you think you are invincible as god. No matter how much links and sites you provide, you shouldn't talk down to people as if they are unimportant folks, you even said to darcey something like "I give this much but you are just a taker", then you use the same scheme, "where's your stuff? where's your site?", then darcey didn't show up again. C'mon, by the power of Bill Gates, everybody can have a site, what's so proud? NBK hassles people and criticize my words all the time, patends I posted, he re-described it to make it sound less technological. Ideas people posted, he said it's not for everyone, or don't do it. I posted shitty posts(they are still true, but the intention is shitty) to retaliate him,(he declared a false victory in the mach5 missle topic, never knew I kicked his arse that hard) doing pretty much what he's been doing to people, but you guys make such a big deal of it, makes me think some of you are sucking up to him.(AND he has no problem with people who suck up to him) I didn't intend to retaliate him all the time, just want him to take a few blows as hard as it can be, and I think he deserves it. I think he wants to monopoly this forum and try to make everyone suck up to him, and is being a critic all the time, he is the first one called to get rid of newbies, that's quite abusing a power not belonging to him. According to dlwdaw's thought, I am one of the two major contributor of this forum, see how NBK is trying to get rid of me after some debate? I didn't see him ask for a vote to get rid of somebody after quabbling one time or two with. My purpose is to kick NBK's ass for some time and retaliate, not to remove him. Although there are only a few members who have stayed here long enough and know people well, I would be glad to have a vote, see how well the name HMTD Factory can do. [This message has been edited by HMTD Factory (edited March 11, 2000).]
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 06:48 PM It doesn't matter how much clout you have on this forum people should be able to say what they want when they want BUT you do not need to reiterate yourself time and time again. once is enough twice is too much. if you feel you need to squash someone do that on your own time (i am talking to EVERYONE here) that is what email is for. everyone has made there intentions clear. NBK does not rule, HMTD does not rule, Ho ju does not rule... megalomania rules. That, and if someone feels they need to suck up because they want a friend so be it. where does it say that you are not allowed to take sides in a quarrel. What i do not like is someone thinking they feel superior because of what they have contributed more than someone else. everyone was a newbie once, just cause you have posted 900 times doesn't make you better. If someone does not have a scanner and cannot prove with pictures what they have done, take what they say at face value. i would assume no one would outright lie on this forum. that is very deadly when talking about this stuff... VERY DEADLY ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 07:02 PM Oh and FF, conflict is what i am trying to avoid. Contradiction is good but conflict needs to be shot in the head. it is ok to disaprove of what someone is saying, it is that, doing it for the sake of putting them down that is bad. You are right FF, if people just said "yup yup yup" nothing would be accomplished and this whole process of learning would hault. there is a fine line between those two extremese (conflict and "being a wuss") it is everyone's job on this forum to make sure we stay as close to that line as possible. i know it is not going to happen all the time but if we can coexist in a semi-friendly manner all will be well and the learning will continue. (and that is what everyone is here for right?... learning?) ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 07:13 PM I am not saying someone needs to say sorry, or even yield the right to speak freely. Someone just needs to have the balls enough to just walk away and relize that you are going to get no where this way. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
zaibatsu Frequent Poster	posted March 11, 2000 08:26 PM i know i will probably get my balls shot off for saying this, but i also agreee that a vote is bad. it would split the group of people in this forum in two. there would be the people who support HTMD and the people who support NBK2000. personally, i couldn't make that decision as they both have contributed a lot to this forum, but, maybe if they stopped their criticisms getting so personal, then they might be more constructive. Just my thought, don't shoot the messenger. ------------------ Life is like a firework, one time it can look great, the next it can blow up in your face
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 11, 2000 08:47 PM I second that!!! ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Pyroboy Frequent Poster	posted March 11, 2000 09:09 PM Speaking of Darcey here is a copy of the email he sent me. hey Matt, I left the forum awhile ago and don't really make bombs and stuff anymore....the forum was getting flooded with dicks and i really didn't like it...so i left. Ok now that really gives me the shits! just because of all the fucking newbies and shit asking crap like how do I make AP we have lost a good member! Matt
nbk2000 Moderator	posted March 12, 2000 05:21 AM So hydrogenation won't work, fine, if you say so. So what. You (HMTD) are free to choose whatever posts you want to reply to. And so am I. As for my website, it's as much for my own vicarious release as for educating others. And what the masses know isn't worth knowing. Only those few who seek out knowledge are worthy of knowing it. Obviously not everyone has a scanner or digital camera. That's fine. But I believe in the Reagan saying "Trust but verify". Nothing like a photograph to prove your not just talking shit. And a few improvised weapons don't make me "God". Never said that. Don't cop an attitude. Darcey had an attitude like yours, and that's why I didn't like him either. He left because he had personal problems. His words, posted on the forum. What someone supposedly said by e-mail to someone else should be taken with a grain of salt. No offense Pyroboy. If someone puts in the effort to make a site then they certainly get a lot more respect from me for a least putting in some effort to share, and not just passively sponging. Are you still tripping on the explosive laser patent you posted. Hell, you didn't put a link to it, I had to find it. We started arguing over the technical details (like the rocket patent, and if you feel you have to have "won" on the subject, fine, you win.) and I said "Build one and try other fuels and tell us how you do.". And you said yourself "Don't see it happening soon though.". If you don't see ever being able to make one yourself, why even mention it? It's things like that that get me riled. Sure, I like the high tech super weapons and toys like everyone else, but I can recognize the fact that I don't have the resources to make them so I don't waste time or space posting about them. The only "big" thing I've posted on was the bobcat AFV. Suck ups? Please. I have people "sucking up" to me all the time and I don't give them squat. Nobody likes a yes man. If I wanted a monopoly on a forum I'd start my own. Everyone here was a newbie at one time or another. I don't have a problem with newbies, it the people who ask "kewl bombz" crap that get me pissed. Or "how do I make AP?". Every established person here probably hates that. I haven't asked for a vote. I just said that if I was really annoyed by your harrassment that I might. And I think you've revealed the true purpose of your ongoing harassement in your last paragraph, "retaliate". Ever since the argument about the purpose of rifles in the SL8 post you've been dogging me. And if you've forgotten I suggested that we quit arguing and delete the argumenitive posts in that topic. I took the first step towards peace. But you still snipe from the shadows, looking to "retaliate" for your self-perceived "loss" so you look to "win" by harrassing me. You want to "kick NBK's ass", but you can't. No more than you can "kill" me or "win" a victory over me. This is just a collection of electrons stored on a computer, not real life. You can't hurt me, you can only annoy me. And you do that quit well, but get over it. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 12, 2000 12:12 PM Alright now i would assume that would be the end of it. HMTD, please do not feel slighted by anything NBK said in his last post. i do not find anything he said to be offensive to anyone. He yielded like a true man and i ASK you do the same. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 12, 2000 10:01 PM Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, ,,, more useless noise on the forum..... yawn
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 12, 2000 10:25 PM So what the hell was that, hypocrit? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 12, 2000 11:42 PM Your calling me a hypocrite? I was making a point dumbass.
Nitro unregistered	posted March 13, 2000 12:37 PM Oh it has nothing to do with explosives but. Has any body heard something from dlwdaw?I dont see him on my icq.And .......
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted March 13, 2000 01:10 PM dlwdaw freakin disappeared two or three weeks ago... batf probably called his parents or somethin and they freaked out and took away his computer... he has not answered icq's and i saw him online several days ago but he did not answer which leads me to believe it was not him on the account... he would have answered. we will find out one of these days what happened... whatever happened to making annm? it really pisses me off when people don't have nothin better to do than argue and post it for the whole free world to read. now that i have also added my off topic post to this useless mass of information... how is annm comparable to ap for det vel and brissance? ~m3nth~
Foxtrot83 Frequent Poster	posted March 13, 2000 02:06 PM I'd like to know how is ANNM comparable to AP Putty det. velocity wise, in a close ratio. For instance, AP Putty made with 200grams and 200grams of ANNM, would the det. velocity be close or be far off. ------------------ ~Foxtrot83~ Semper Fi
uberchlor unregistered	posted March 14, 2000 03:00 AM This is about the destillation of the fuel mixture part, the process should go smoothly unless nitromethane forms an azetrope with methanol (then they will boil off together like a happy married couple), Does NM form azetropes with methanol?, i don't know! But if that didn't work to higher the concentration, this would sure be the best explanation i can think of...
Foxtrot83 Frequent Poster	posted March 14, 2000 04:19 PM Hey guys, whats with all the tension? Just let it end here. Where all here to learn from one another, and thats what this forum is for if I remember correctly. Anyway back to explosives. I just read in a book that the Oklahoma City Bombing was done with ANNM. Well, it didn't say that exactly but from what it said I know it was. It said ammonium nitrate fertilizer and a racing fuel he got from a track, thats nitromethane. I was just thinking the other day about that bombing and thought they would publish that it was ANFO, so the public wouldn't get wind of ANNM. I see that I was wrong but I also read the World Trade Center Bombing was done with ammonium nitrate. 1,800lbs. to be exact but it didn't say what it was mixed with, does anyone know. That was a powerful blast but the Oklahoma bombing book said Timothy McVeigh bought several bags of 50lbs. That doesn't come to close the power of 1,800lbs. Doesn't that seem suspicious, I think it could have been Astrolite instead of ANNM. The gov't could have been covering it up like I thought, now that I think about it. What do ya have to say, could I be right in my analysis? Let me know. ------------------ ~Foxtrot83~ Semper Fi
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted March 14, 2000 04:43 PM Back to explosives. I think that octane booster for racing cars fuel is nitromethane. You can order it through any garage supplier or even most garrages.
newbie1 Frequent Poster	posted March 14, 2000 05:13 PM From what I remember, a while back in a post about Urea Nitrate NBK stated that the World Trade Center was blown up using Urea Nitrate and the in the Oklahoma city bombing they used 5,000 lb. of ANNM.
uberchlor unregistered	posted March 14, 2000 05:23 PM The explosive used in the World trade Center Bombing was a Urea Nitrate formulation of some sort, not ammonium nitrate. Everywhere, which i read the oklahoma center bombing was done with ANFO.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 12:37 AM So I am back online again. I was going to say something back to NBK, but since I am offered to make peace, I'll take it. One unharmful thing I want to mention is, Pyroboy interpreted darcey's words wrong, ask darcey again if he was driven away by newbies. The unfriendly environment of this forum is as what we know. Basically, I am hoping this forum can be better and better, there should be an awsome links section, and a storage of the most orthodox explosive making articles available. The coming of newbies is on the plus side, it helps the forum grow, although they are new in explosives field but who knows what in another side are they competent of? If we keep directing them to search the incomplete data inside this forum, we lose people, the forum shrinks. Newbies are good! Guys, I really want to see the forum work and I really want to see a link section done. I'll throw out every single site that I think is worth mentioning. Hope some of you are willing to help, give what you have. Plans and Kits Unlimited http://www.plans-kits.com/ Spy Shop(They sell expensive Paladin Press) http://www.spytechagency.com/ The Mad Scientists' Lair http://www.iinet.net.au/~steveb/ Some explosives info http://eunuch.ddg.com/LIS/InfoDesignF97/dlocks/boomb.html IBM Patend search http://www.patents.ibm.com/ US Patend search http://www.uspto.gov/ A collection of Special Operation Manuals(provided by a member of this forum) http://www.specialoperations.com/literature/manuals.html A site that has a big text file of Q&As regarding explosives, I think the one who answers the question is a Phd. http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Library/4196/ A patend of "low voltage non-primary explosive detonator". http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?&pn10=US04316412 Black Book http://members.tripod.com/ProphessorPhreak/BLKBOOK.TXT The Moisin-Nagant HQ(a huge site for the most accurate bolt action military rifle) http://WWW.Mosin-Nagant.net/ Shooter's Guntalk (the most useful gun forum) http://www.shooters.com/guntalkfeaturesframe.html A bookmark of bookmarks (some are dead link) http://tattoos.com/stu/links3.htm NRA http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=national+rifle+association
Pyroboy Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 09:23 AM HMTD, if hes not talking about newbies, then who's he talking about?? Who are the dicks?? Matt
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 06:53 PM foxtrot... the oklahoma city bombing was done by the batf themselves to help them in their evil schemes to pass anti-terrorism legislation in congress among other things (which they did very successfully after the bombing). i have read expert testimony from a man with an advanced degree in chemistry from stanford (explosives expert) saying there was no way the damage done to the building could have been done with a fertilizer bomb. besides that it is obvious they covered stuff up. like instead of putting the bomb back together and stuff (like to get a fingerprint of the bomber) they just bulldozed the whole building as soon as they could. as compared to say the WTC where they combed through evidence for weeks and weeks and weeks until they found what they were looking for. and then there were the seismic detectors miles away that picked up more than one spike (wasn't just one bomb--was actually multiple bombs planted near the pillars of the building). and there was the lady that saw maintenance men in the basement with what she thought was telephone cord and pointing around who quickly put it away and shushed when she saw them... and according to her they were dressed like maintenance men but she had never before seen them in that building. and then of course is the more obvious facts of the matter like all of the batf agents just so happened to not be there that day in their building and that all of the batf agents just so happened to show up immediately after the bomb exploded and how doctors were asked to bandage up uninjured agents to make it appear to the media as they were in the building at the time of the explosion. and that how one of those doctors got killed in an 'accident' along with several others who were figuring out the truth of the matter and becoming a threat. just a few too many koweenkeedinks for me... but hey they saved the day and got that mad bomber mcveigh guy (whatever). ~m3nth~
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 07:36 PM Only thing that I have to say, is that, the WTC was still standing after so no need to bulldoze immidiately. But your information sounds funny indeed, just like the tainted blood scandal.
West Frequent Poster	posted March 16, 2000 06:58 AM HMTD: I think the link section is a good idea, but not just another forum thread based one.. as within time it will get turfed down among the other 1000's of posts.. Why not create a separate page of links in the same fashion as a top list where people are free to add links as they please, all we need is a script and someone with enough nouse to use it..

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