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spiceboy Frequent Poster	posted February 27, 2000 04:59 AM I was told anything you buy from a pyro company that remotely has any explosive or oxidising(sp?) capabilities-(I like rocketry)or even some chems that do not...are all laced with an atomic chemical so the govt can tell--if the chem was used in crime or whatever- where it came from and who it went to ultimately... How true is this for simple one lb units purchased from a pyro supply house and so forth...and also what is the larget rocket propellant-wise I am allowed to use without a license... Reason I ask ...is if my rocket goes off course with it's parachute and someone turns it it and so forth....and it happens to be a little bit larger than permitted (see, I am not into the wimpy estes brand but I am not sure how much larger I can go in size) ..and they investigate and take a sample of the burned propellant (supposedly they can do that) and it comes back that a company sold it to someone in my area...probably me...am I just overly paranoid or not...also, my bud would like to use some flashcrackers on his farm next to the cop patrolled county park but he is afraid of the same thing.....not of his getting busted at the time of use but tracing of the ingredients- after I told him of the show on discovey....I told him to jsut wait till he gets up to the mountains but he is the impatient type who just wants to have fun...shame his farmette is surrounded by 'nosy people and the cop patrol lane.... We got bitched at big time just for launching one of my rockets that blew off course in it's landing...no fire hazard when it is cooled down and on a chute but jeeez.. it was like I was trying to start a fire in the park clearing where it landed.... and they got 'red with me when they learned I made my own nozzles and propellant... I dont want to quit my hobby but I woudlike to know the ability to trace chems and also how big can I go...I am not into NASA size but I like something worthwhile doing... Another question...can jake (my bud) who was convicted of a nonviolent fleony when he was younger ever get a "release from disability" to get go hunting again with us or get a batf permit to shoot rockets with us...he has a heck of a nice spread to use for a launch area but it is in his name and he is afraid of getting busted too- nice palce iwth cool neighbors but nosy cops? Heck, it was over 20 years ago! I was told by y lawyer friend- no way- unless you know a big politician ... thanks for any info...Jake lives in PA.- if that makes any difference sorry about all the questions but I need ot know...any links would be a great help thanks...thanks....thanks. errr damned popups..i saw the link for the intermute but I was afraid by now the company would know about the name and so forth that was given and presto ..lawsuit...color me paranoid but since I moved to the city from a rural area I feel like a caged and regulated animal....
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted February 27, 2000 06:07 AM Don't close the pop-up, hide it under, it won't show up that much.
hunkydunc Frequent Poster	posted February 27, 2000 01:58 PM What propellant are you using to power your rockets?
hunkydunc Frequent Poster	posted February 27, 2000 01:58 PM What propellant are you using to power your rockets?
spiceboy Frequent Poster	posted February 28, 2000 12:05 AM My first ones..when I was younger...were simple black powder I could make easily... NOw I have moved up to a commercial mix that uses ammonium perchlorate, rust, plasticiser and a commercial htpb resin according to a formula from a company ..kicks ass...I am lookng into formulating myown sort-of homemade compound and lookng into a co. called pyrotek who claims to have their own mix --but they wont sell me just the book...have to buy their kit My msot dificult part in my learning curve is the proper nozzle design and so forth as well as getting the mix "just right" Ihave tried lotso of other mixes with varying success... Cant wait till spring time comes again!!
Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster	posted February 28, 2000 04:12 PM It is true that a lot of chemicals that could possibly be used for a pyro purpose have been laced with traceable tags. The tags are macroscopic(can see them with your naked eye). They are called tags or taggants. They show up when viewed under UV light. They are encoded with information such as brand name, lot number, etc. To check if your rocket fuel is laced with tags, it is VERY simple to determine. Spread some of the fuel out of a piece of paper, turn off all the lights and then view the fuel using only a UV lamp, which you can get fairly cheaply($10 - $15), if your chemical glows in a neon color, it is laced. If it appears normal, it is not laced. ------------------ Feticidal Fantasy- http://www.darksites.com/souls/vampires/feticidal/ "Keep your gun as your constant companion."
Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster	posted February 28, 2000 04:17 PM And about your friend, jake or whatever that was convicted of a felony. How much younger was he when he commited it? The fact that is was non-volent doens't matter, ANY felony will disable you from owning a firearm. If he was under the age of 18 when he commited the felony, he can fill out some paper work to have his record sealed or expunged, that will be up to the judge. They will usually seal small felonies, but shit like rape, armed robbery they will most likley refuse. Anyways, If he is under 18, he may be able to get it expunged. But if he was over 18, he is 100% fucked for life. No way can ge ever get a gun. ------------------ Feticidal Fantasy- http://www.darksites.com/souls/vampires/feticidal/ "Keep your gun as your constant companion."
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 29, 2000 08:25 PM The government wants taggants, but the explosvies industry has resisted it because taggants have a bad tendancy to change the properties and stability of explosives. That's why they are virtually non-existant in the US. Military explosives may be a different story, but they can afford isotopic taggants that you'd need a Mass Spectrometer to detect. One such taggant is sold by www.isotag.com . Taggants aren't something you need to worry about. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
catch22 Frequent Poster	posted February 29, 2000 11:13 PM In the U.S. depending on local laws it is ilegal to make and use home made rocket motors. The larges commerical motors you can use without licenses is a "G" My advice is to do a lot of internet and library research on rockets, I have about 30-70 rocketry websites bookmarked that I can send you if you email me at TheFairlanes@Aol.com note most of these are usually opposed to people who know very little about rocketry, chemistry, and physics making their own rocket motors. Where as I'm the last person who will discurrage a person from making motors, you need to know the hazards involved. For a Physics project I made a PVC cased rocket motor with a Phenolic nozzle, the problem was that the nozzle was too small and didn't erode and caused the motor to explode. The explosion put 3-6" holes in a plexiglass blast shield and sent a piece of burning propellant 50' in the air. Please contact me and I will pass on as much knowledge as I can to make sure that your rocketry adventures will not get you mamed or killed. I am eger to help you for the main reason that you don't seem like many people in this forum who only want to hurt scare or kill people. Catch ------------------ "I love the smell of napalm in the morning" -Appocolypse Now
megalomania Administrator	posted March 25, 2000 05:09 PM Although taggents are not necessarily required by law (yet) blasting explosives do have tracing materials will lead investigators to the company, lot number, and eventually you. It is quite possible that the gov�t allows (forces) the voluntary use of taggent materials in pyrotechnic chemicals. Since nobody cares if the performances of amateur rockets are bad, they can get away with it. And if it keeps a lawsuit of the chemical companies back, they will cave in. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania

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