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Paul
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posted February 22, 2000 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul   Click Here to Email Paul     
Does anyone have any info on the K-process of making RDX? It is supposed to be the most common way production of RDX. It uses Hexamine, HNO3, and also AN. It uses much less HNO3 which is a pain to manufacture.

Also has anyone successfully synth. it? I tried using the process on Mega's site but on a smaller scale but I still haven't seen any precipitate yet.

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HMTD Factory
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posted February 22, 2000 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
Your nitric acid may be not dry enough for sulfuric acid to do dehydration/nitration.
That's the only reason I can think of.


uberchlor
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posted February 22, 2000 05:08 PM           
There is a nice german wepage: http://haas.purespace.de/b1a.html
which talks about it's manufacture
(K-process, etc, etc..) I would translate
it all for you (k-process part) now, if i could and post it but i am on a computer
in a library and we have limitations on
what we can do here, maybe somelse who
know german can help you!


uberchlor
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posted February 22, 2000 05:09 PM           
somelse = someone else


Nitro
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posted March 05, 2000 04:46 PM           
I think nobody here can get 99%nitric acid.But the K-Process works with it.


HMTD Factory
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posted March 05, 2000 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
But everybody can "make" it 99%.


uberchlor
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posted March 06, 2000 04:49 PM           
Oh but 99% pure nitric acid is relatively easy to prepare (if you have retort or some other distilling apparatus)!!


megalomania
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posted March 25, 2000 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for megalomania   Click Here to Email megalomania     
I have two procedures for making RDX at my website, check it out at http://surf.to/megalomania

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uberchlor
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posted March 26, 2000 04:43 AM           
On your webpage, the first procedure for producing RDX, involving Methenamine and Nitric acid is called the "SH-Salt process" the conc. of HNO3 can be 99% and doesn't necessarily have to be 100%. To produce:

10g Hexogen(RDX) from this process you'd need 8.3-8.4 g Hexamethylentetramine 71g 99%pure Nitric acid.

The other process involving Ammonium nitrate, paraformaldehyde, and acetic anhydride. This process appears to be a simplified method of the "E-Salt process", which uses Ammonium nitrate, acetic anhydride, and boron trifluoride (BF3). But it seems that the BF is probably not absolutley essential.

In order to get:

10 g Hexogen, you'd need; 6.3-6.5 g Paraformaldehyd, 18 g Ammoniumnitrat, 50-51 g Acetic anhydride containing 0.19g BF3.

uberchlor
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posted March 26, 2000 04:46 AM           
ARGH! What i forgot to mention is that the E-salt process uses Paraformaldehyde also.


uberchlor
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posted March 29, 2000 01:58 AM           
Alright, here you go! sorry it took me so long to post. The translation won't be that good though, and some of the words might not make any sense. Correct me if i'm wrong, but for 10.0 g Hexogen (on a small lab-scale basis), one needs:

4.8-5.0 g Hexamethylentetramine
48 g Ammonium nitrate and
86 g 99% pure Nitric acid



uberchlor
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posted March 29, 2000 02:00 AM           
The k-salt-process for the production of Hexogen is described in the PB report No.
925 and in URBANSKI (1964) by the example the factory Elsnig of the WASAG. In
fig. 1-15 the Hexogen production is prepared after the k-salt-process as flow
sheet.

Into a Nitrator of 500 l volume is submitted nitric acid and entered to
Hexamethylentetramine and nitrate of ammonia. The ratios are: 1
part of Hexamethylentetramine, 10 parts nitrate of ammonia and 18 parts of
nitric acid. The temperature is held during the mixing process by cooling at 15°C.
From the Nitrator the mixture is transferred after the final addition of all
components, transferred over to heated pipes into a reactor, in which a temperature
is 80 °C. After 30 minutes the reaction is complete. The mixture is purged
into lower which is equipment and cooled down there on 20 °C. Here approx. 90% of
the developed Hexogens crystallize out. This Hexogen is sucked off of
the Waste acid by chamber filters, washed with water, neutralized with
5%pure Sodium carbonate solution, and is recrystallized from acetone.

The usual processing of the waste acid causes difficulties, there with the
Distillation ammonium salt crystallizes and pipings, valves etc. clogs. For this
reason the waste acid is cooled down to -12 °C , whereby " Ammonium­tri­nitrate ",
an addition compound from a section nitrate of ammonia and two sections of nitric
acid, to fail. The ammonium tri nitrate is melted over a Centrifuge
hydroextracted , with 300 °C, mixed with 99%pure nitric acid and added to the
production process.

The remaining waste acid still contains nitrate of ammonia and Hexogen. It is
given to volumes to a container with 3 m³ and neutralized with gaseous
ammonia. The temperature rises to 70 °C. The remaining Hexogen precipitates
crystalline. It is sucked off over vacuumfilter and washed with water. The solution is
chilled, whereby approx. 66 % of the remaining nitrate of ammonia precipitate out. The
Ammonium nitrate is separated. It is used for the production of Ammonium nitrate-based
explosives. The remaining solution is evaporated. After evaporation, Hexamine
nitrate and nitrate of ammonia remain the in arrears, which one admits to
following nitrating (CIOS XXXII-8, PB 925, URBANSKI 1964).

For the production of 1.000 kg Hexogen from the k-salt-process; are needed as
Basic materials (URBANSKI 1964):

- 480-500 kg of Hexamethylentetramin
- 4,800 kg nitrate of ammonia (nitrate of ammonia) and
- 8,600 kg of nitric acid.

3,600 kg nitrate of ammonia and 7,200 kg of nitric acid are recovered by
regeneration, so that gross consumption is with 1.200 kg nitrate of ammonia and
1,400 kg of nitric acid (URBANSKI 1964).


uberchlor
unregistered
posted March 29, 2000 02:07 AM           
" Ammonium­tri­nitrate ",
an addition compound from a section nitrate of ammonia and two sections of nitric
acid, to fail.

Means:

whereby "Ammonium­tri­nitrate", a Addition compound from 1 part Ammonium nitrate and 2 parts Nitric acid, precipitates out.

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