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MR COOL Frequent Poster	posted January 11, 2000 04:07 AM Can somebody please tell me any site from where I can find the procedure of making a powerful anaesthetic( even powerful than chloroform)but which is used in the similar manner as chloroform. ------------------
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 11, 2000 02:30 PM Anything more powerful than chloroform is going to require life support. Chemicals that knock a person out also depress breathing. The more powerful the knock out effect, the greater the breathing supression. Stick to chloroform. It's simple to make and use. You can find instructions for making it on my site in the drug section. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 30, 2000 04:45 PM could acetone or gasoline themselves be used in the same manner as cholroform. if you soak a rag in it and cover someones nose and mouth with it. how long would it take to knowck someone out? thanks ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 31, 2000 03:03 AM Acetone and gasoline will knock a person out permanently (as in dead). There are plenty of things that will knock out someone, but how much damage it will cause and how permanent the damage is isn't worth doing. After all, the whole point of using an anesthetic is to capture someone alive. Not much point in killing them or turning them into a drooling vegetable in the process. If you must use something, use either chloroform or ether. If you can't make chloroform, buy a can of starting fluid, distill off the ether from the heptane, and then redistill the ether to purify from the last traces of heptane. This will work just fine. You could possibly just use a can of starting fluid as is and just hose someone in the face. That would definitaly knock them out. It might also kill them, I don't know for sure. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 31, 2000 02:27 PM killing is definetly what i am NOt looking for. how long would it take for the either to knock the unconcious? I know it was used by early sugeons as a local anesthetic but how fast does it take effect? seconds or minutes? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 01, 2000 03:28 AM Figure that ether is not as powerful an anesthetic as chloroform and that with a agitated victim, struggling and breathing hard, it would probably take a minute at least for them to get disoriented. 2 for totally unconscious. Remember, you're going to have to hold the cloth over their face while they're fighting you. Another thing you need to be aware of is that the victim may regain consciousness sooner then you'd like them to, and they may be playing 'possum waiting for a chance to escape when you least expect it. After they're out (hold the ether on them for awhile after they've stopped struggling) immediately restrain them with flex-ties or cuffs (hand and feet), gag them, and cover their head with a hood so they can't see where they are. A pair of wax earplugs might be good too so they can't hear where they are or where you are. Total sensory deprivation I've seen these dust masks that have a valve that allows exhaled breath to pass out, but breathing in has to pass through the fabric filter. I think something like that would be ideal for soaking and holding over someone while your knocking them out. The mask would allow them to breath in saturated air with no resistance from your hand covering their mouths. I'd go with chloroform. More powerful (quicker), non-explosive, and it's easy to make. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted February 01, 2000 06:39 AM thanks for all the info nbk one more question. how long do people stay knocked out for when using choloroform when compared to either? is it much longer or about the same? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted February 01, 2000 07:13 AM Somewhere I read that chloroform can be used safely only once, guess the second time will still work but could damage body. Ho ju if you only have weak power stuff then try to make a device that can put ether liquid in the respiratory track, like a mask, instead of only dampen with ether, it has a pump filled with ether, when using it, push the pump and send the ether fluid into a person's mouth or nostrils, then the liquid stays there, the person trys to breathe and will get more and more of it then faint away. Pretty bad huh?
nbk2000 Moderator	posted February 01, 2000 10:22 AM I've never experimented with ether compared to chloroform, so I can't say how long it would last. But, chloroform will only last about 5-10 minutes max after using on someone in a struggle. Remember, the more agitated they are when you use it on them, the more rapidly it will be metabolized by the body. So it's only good to knock someone out long enough to truss them up like a turkey and move them to a car. And trying a continuos drip isn't a good idea since anesthetics depress the breathing, sometimes fatally. That's why they use artifical respirators in hospitals. Plus, chloroform can cause liver damage from too much exposure. And it's also a rare (1 in 3,000) occurance that a persons metabolism will go into hyperdrive and their body temp will soar to over a 107F and kill them from brain damage caused by the fever. Something about the thyroid or something. Sometimes people who are under the influence of ether or chloroform will vomit while their out. This can also kill them if they inhale it(ala jimmy hendrix). So if you don't have to worry about someone hearing them yelling, you might want to lay them on their side so if they do puke, they won't breathe it in. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."

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