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Zanx Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 08:25 AM 1 kg of AP stored! Are you crazy? Not a bright idea. AP is very friction, heat, and impact sensative. It is also very volatile, so I am suprised that you haven't lost a lot by now. If you want to store some, (not a good idea with large quantities), at least make it into putty.
Dr-D Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 04:21 PM 1kg!!! egads, im surprised the pressure from the wieght of the crystals has not set it off with that much! Using melted wax? i would belive that would be dangerous fromt he heat of the melted wax and would probably set the crystals off.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 06:07 PM AP isnt that sensitive(regarding the pressure) also it depends on how spread out the crystals are. Whenever dealing with something sensitive its best to take as many precautions as possible though. Rumours have a way of starting. If you want to make a solid explosive from wax and AP, first melt one part wax, then add either 1/2 or 1/3 part of naptha(white campstove fuel, lighter fluid, solvent etc..). Stir it well, then let it cool down until its still pasty and a few parts of AP. Do not process the entire 1kg at a time! Process small batches. Even 10g is good enough to take your hands off. ------------------ VeHeMT's Armoury [This message has been edited by VeHeMT (edited February 13, 2000).]
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 07:55 PM napthalene is mothballs.... naptha is lighter fluid ------------------ C:\>deltree C:\ are you sure? y/n: y BEEP!
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 29, 2000 08:17 PM Oops, typo.
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 29, 2000 08:30 PM i read these questions about AP it makes me wonder "what does the acid do in the reaction" well after talking to Al Koholic he told me that the acid is ONLY a catylist. it does not matter the concentration or the amount you put it. so i would just like to tell all the people out there that do not know this. 98% concentration is just as good as 20% and the type has little significance. the only factor that will be changed is the time it takes for the AP to form. so when people are looking for acid's do not fret. (this post does not target any one in specific but i am just providing general knowledge.) in fact you can skip the acid all together if you really wanted to but the reaction would take a hell of a lot longer ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
megalomania Administrator	posted January 29, 2000 08:40 PM There is a slight difference, the presence of water will lower the yield to some extent. Adding small amounts of concentrated acid is better then large amounts of dilute acid because there is less water (thats also why 30% peroxide is better than 3%). The exact kind of acid is indeed not important. And yes, you do have to alter volumes based on concentrations, figure it out for yourself though ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Ho ju Moderator	posted January 29, 2000 08:41 PM that and by definition a catylist is not used up in a reaction so you do not need huge amount of the acid. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
spiceboy Frequent Poster	posted February 13, 2000 12:46 AM I was told to use the good 30% peroxide too...that is 100 vol at the beauty supply place...only 15 bucks a gallon....supposed to work MUCH better than teh lower % stuff...dont scrimp to save a few pennies the napthalene idea sounds neat
Nitro unregistered	posted February 14, 2000 11:26 AM Is there an visible differenc between dimmer and trimmer form.I ve made Ap an an very cold day( -20 ) and an similarity layer to Ice has formed on the top of the jar.When i heat an very small kristall (like an matchhead) it makes an loud Boom.And the other time i ve tried to make Ap it was an with stuff like snow.(same amount for the test)And it only burn with an flash.
Ho ju Moderator	posted February 14, 2000 11:53 AM it is to my understanding that the dimmer version is much more reactive (or unstable) so it should make a louder noise and bigger boom when lit. but it is also to my understanding that the dimmer is made at higher temps and you said you got the louder boom from the colder one. i would suggest reading the way to make AP in mega's page. it has a wealth of info. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited February 14, 2000).]
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted February 14, 2000 12:04 PM If only you did that instead of asking a question on this board. Heh
Nitro unregistered	posted February 14, 2000 12:10 PM My problem is when i put one drop of HCL into the mix of H2O2 and Aceton it will form great heat.I cool the jar with an ice water salt mix but when i touch the jar it is warm and i think it goes ouver 10 degres.
Ho ju Moderator	posted February 14, 2000 12:20 PM like your post wasn't appropriate either eh VeHemt? i don't know what to say then. try adding more ice/salt. it is not detrimental if it goes over 10 degrees it is just not encouraged. the dimmer is pretty damn unstable but it is not like you touch it and it explodes (well it might if you store it for a long time without putting it in water or acetone but other than that just use it right away, it is not ment to be stored anyway) try adding smaller drops (if it is possible) or add drops at greater intervals. like instead of once every 30 sec do it once a min. you do not need to add alot of acid so once every 45 sec won't be to bad ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited February 14, 2000).]

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