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Y2KILL Frequent Poster	posted January 14, 2000 11:22 PM I have few questions to ask about guns. If you are a gun expert please help me out by giving me correct, and easy plan English answers, technical terms will only confuse me. I am a big numb-head in this field. I'll just list my problems below. 1. This is one thing, and the first thing I want to know. Let me use a 9mm(.380ACP) Model 1934 Beretta as an example. Let's say it is a semi-automatic hand held pistol. One day in the future, a beautiful Sunday afternoon, I am sitting at home bored, so I decide to make a gun, possibly a pistol, or maybe a rifle of some sort. And I have all the components I need to construct a simple sport utility (gun). How can I make the hammer, or the firing pin to push-pull back with one pulling of the trigger? Or by holding the trigger down? 2. The second thing I'd like to know is that how can I make the shell pop out of the gun barrel all by itself (with something helping it, such as a spring or whatever.) after the bullet head flew out? 3. What is a good trigger design? After cocking the 9mm, the trigger is so far away from the hammer. How does it make the hammer to go back and hit the back of the bullet? That's all for now... Please give me detailed answer. Regards. P.S. I just remembered today. There was this toy I used to play with, which was this toy pistol. The whole thing was made of copper, and looked just like a real gun (357). If I still have that toy gun (a childhood friend was playing with it and broke it) I could modify it into a real weapon. (don't ask where to get, cause I don't know. My mom bought it for me on some street, in some city, and it wasn't in any store either, just one of those moveable boxes like a hotdog stand.
Blaze Frequent Poster	posted January 15, 2000 06:03 AM certainly not in detail but .... NOTE - 9KB worth of animated .gif obviously if its made exactly like the diagram it would jam, (the rim would catch on the ejector/firing pin, cartridge wouldnt feed into barrel.) but you should get the point. i remember posting a trigger for a single shot that might work, i think the post was named "would this gun work" by dlwdaw, but the search seems to be stuffed up also i forgot a second extractor (red thing) connecting barrel to rim of case.. anyone with other faults? better ideas? lets make it a group project. ps. sorry if you wanted an actual commercial gun blueprint. im Australian what would i know of semi-autos [This message has been edited by Blaze (edited January 15, 2000).]
Y2KILL Frequent Poster	posted January 15, 2000 01:01 PM Thanks for the animated Blaze. I think I can probably try to figure out how this thing works. Maybe I can go to a gun smith's website and ask him, but they usually won't help out, because that's what they do for living, don't want to pass the secret to everyone. I have this book with plenty of schematic gun images. Matter of the fact, I'm scanning some of them right now, so maybe I can post few on here for people to discuss and help one another. Regards.
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 15, 2000 01:44 PM here is a pic of a H&K USP cutaway it is from 1994 issue of sentinel(H&K , inc) ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
Y2KILL Frequent Poster	posted January 15, 2000 01:59 PM DLWDAW, I can probably call you a gun expert, since you have so many yourself. Tell me this, how can I make the front barrel hit back like that by pulling the trigger? Like what Blaze's animation is showing.
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 15, 2000 04:42 PM well.. I think when the bulet (on his drawing) enters the barrel. the trigger is pulled and the spring thing smacks up against the shell firing it and locking it onto the extractor. then the blow back makes the barrel move backwards... then the barrel moves forewards and the shell pops out... repeat... repeat.. BTW blaze.. you are very good at drawing do you get someone to draw for you? and what paint program do you use? thanks.. ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
Blaze Frequent Poster	posted January 16, 2000 04:38 AM i drew that with the standard everyday get with win95 pc paint, animated with ulead gif animator demo. I thought the action would be simple to think up, but it proved to be bloody difficult, i tried to keep the whole thing within the confines of a single pipe for ease of making. i'll explain the action better, when the triggers pulled the plunger containing the firing pin picks up the round, slams it into the chamber and fires (simular to an M60) ,the recoil pushes the barrel/plunger back (simular to browning A5) cocking it, barrel slides forward & case ejected ... etc... etc
Predator Frequent Poster	posted January 17, 2000 08:02 AM Warning: Do NOT try to convert the toy firarm to fire live ammunition, to do so will only result in it blowing up in your face, and perhaps severly injuring you. the metal used in the toy gun is too soft to withstand the pressures put in it by the expanding gas of a live round. also the metal in real guns are not only made of a much harder and tougher steel / alloy, but they are also heat treated to give a different grain structure, perhaps martensite, which is hard, not soft like copper.
Y2KILL Frequent Poster	posted January 17, 2000 12:52 PM Thanks for the warning Predator, you probably just saved my life there, or my hand. So, what is a good material that I can get from, let's say HOMEDEPOT, that could be used to make homemade firearm?

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