posted June 01, 2000 01:53 AM            

BoB-

You said if a guys pointing a gun at you, to throw a glass vial of ammonia and bleach at the guys feet. What is this supposed to do???

Is this supposed to point you out saying "look i'm an idiot throwing stuff at your feet.... SHOOT ME!"???

If your thinking that the amoniachloride gas is going to kill him... your very very wrong.

Hell he'd probably have to be in a room full of it for a few minutes just to get any permanant lung damage.

BaDSeeD

posted June 01, 2000 10:53 AM         

True, it has happeded, when Kip Kingle shot his parents, then went to school with a semi-.22 rifle and a glock, he got off one 50 round mag from the rifle, as he reached for his glock he got tackled and beaten by 4 jocks.

He was just a small 14 year old on his own. Easy to tackle while reloading.

But in columbine there was two of them. Even in the corridors they were together, and watching each others back.

There are a few reasons why tackling them would have been a kamikaze mission.

1. There were two, each watching each others back.

2. Each had 6 different wepons on them:

Eric had his 5 shot pump action shotgun, his rifle, 3 knives, and pipe bombs.

Dylan had a "Stevens" side-by-side shotgun, his TEC 9, again 3 knives, and molotov cockatails.

So even when the cop was shooting at them outside, when one wepon emptied (or jammed whn eric shot at the cop with the rifle) they could have another one out and ready withing a second. Erics rifle jammed, he spun around, dropped to his knees as use the shotgun, all in less than a second according to the cop.

3. They were seniors, I do weightlifting, so do some of my friends, and I still doubt that 2-3 of us could tackle either of them to the ground without being shot by either the one being tackled, or the other gunnman.

Unlike most other shootings that were "spur of the moment", columbine was planned over approx. 1 year, eric even stayed in the cafeteria a week before to know when the most people would be in there, thats how they chose the time for the propane bombs (that failed) 11:17.

So, if I ever hear any gun shots in my school, the "sheep" can stay to the slaughter in the class room doing their carefully planned drill, I'll be the first out the door, running CAREFULLY, listening to where the shots are coming from so I dont do a Dave Sanders [shot teacher] and run straight into the gunman/men.

I did something like that at school once:

When I lived in England, there was a fire alarm (not planned) at my school around 6 PM(only a handfull of us were there) , the potters kiln smoke vent had come off and we could smell smoke, so we thought it was a real fire.

The Hall monitors tryed to get us to walk in a carefull slow manner, down the pre-recorded route, me and my friends climbed out the windows, no way, in any realy life drill am I doing something that I think is risking my life.

Ever

posted June 01, 2000 02:39 PM         

There were two, each in sports bags, each on placed next to a pillar (the pillars were in the middle of the cafeteria).

Eric had waited in the Cafeteria a week before and estimated (he actually counted the people) that that "prime time" would be 11:17 and around 500 people would be in there. Free time started at 11:15, and giving two mins. the most people would have made their way to the cafeteria, it does make sense.

They were made from a propane tank (15 kg ones), with a gallon can of gasoline strapped to it. The propane tank was designed to be burst open with a pipe bomb timed with a wind up alarm clock. The gasoline was to create a bigger fireball, and if the pipe bomb didn't burst the propane tank, it would at least throw burning gasoline everywhere.

Set for 10:30 (I think) they had a distraction device of 5-6 pipe bombs and arosoel cans in a field many miles away. One pipe bomb detonated blowing up an arosoel can. However, it was not found intil 2 hours after the shootings had finishesd when a man walking his dog stumbled across a burnt patch of ground.

The reason the propane bombs didn't detonate was the fact that while they were carrying the bags there, the fine wires soldered to the clock hands got mashed (is that even a word?) and caused a misfire.

The second time the gunmen walked into the cafe a small CO2 bomb set the gasoline on fire that set off the sprinklers.

Actually, the final report says that the events were like so:

parking lot-brief entrance in cafeteria-halls-library-cafe-library

So the problem with the propane bombs was simply bad electronics.

posted June 01, 2000 04:03 PM            

The kid who got tackled while reloading didn't think things through. There's a reason the military came up with the bayonet. If you get caught in the middle of a reload you just run a motherfucker through the guts with a foot of steel. I don't think even a jock is stupid enough to rush someone with a long blade aimed at their guts. Even a group wouldn't try it because who would want to be the first one to get impaled?

Also, the last 5 rounds in your magazine should be tracers so you can see when you're almost out of ammo and need to reload.

When you see tracers, you back up against a wall, or even better, into a corner, and while you're changing magazines with your strong hand, you keep the rifle held against your hip with the bayonet pointed out with the weak hand.

Assuming you haven't fired the last round in the magazine, a autoloading rifle will still have one round in the chamber, so while you're changing magazines, if someone rushes you, shot him and stick anyone else nearby with the bayonet.

And need I mention that every bullet should be poisoned? That's a mandatory. There's too much of this "2 dead, 15 wounded." crap. It should be "17 dead, none wounded.". YEAH! AHAHAHAH..Uhhh..uuuuhhhhh.......(eyes rolling into the back of your head as you orgasmicly twitch at the sheer pleasure of the thought).

The propane bombs that didn't go off were failures. Wind up clocks? WTF? haven't these boys heard of electronics? Or even a fucking kitchen timer? These fucks had plenty of money and time to research the internet. So why the hell would they choose such a crappy way to rig up a bomb?

The gas tank and propane thing isn't a bad idea. Either one (or both) will cause a big fire and/or explosion. Double you chances, double your fun.

Ooppps. Seem to have gone from stopping the shooter to being the shooter. So easy to do.

If you really want to stop a school shooter, shoot him. With a gun. Of course, if you get caught with a gun at school, you've become the shooter.

So don't evcen bother with all this crap. You'll never (with 99.99999+ % probability) be involved in a school shooting incident. You're more likely to win the lottery or get hit by lightning than get shot at school.

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posted June 03, 2000 02:05 PM            

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Guns dont kill people... i kill people

posted June 03, 2000 03:22 PM            

On that note, using chemicals as an attacker can make locked doors, upturned tables, and cowering groups scatter for the open. A few 2-Liter bottles of your chemical of choice can be poured out under a door crack, sprayed through the lunch room to release a death cloud. They will most likely panic. People seem to fear chemicals more than anything, it's an unknown, the damage of a bullet is known, a chem is not.

As chlorine was the first chemical weapon, I will use it as an example. A bottle of Sani-Flush and a jug of bleach can make a lot of chlorine. The Sani-Flush can be poured into a half full jug of bleach, then capped with a stopper with a little plastic tube in the center, attached to that is a rubber hose, that can be stuck under a door. The bottle can be left in the lunchroom, or by likely exits. I can imaging the massive cloud of chlorine that would shoot up

Now, your toxic gas is not going to stop people dead in their tracks. It will make them panic, it will make them leave their cover, it will make them easier targets. They will most likely be blinded and short of breath, they will be stumbeling about gasping. Even a simple gas mask can protect you. All of the chemicals and the stopper/tubing assembly I mentioned are hardware, grocery store items.

Don't stop for just one. The Colombine people had a car full of stuff. 20 or 50 gallon jugs of bleach all spewing chlorine gas can make a formidible barrier at all exits, that much may even be enough to kill people, and it will give swat teams some pause because visability will be low. The local police do not carry gas masks, they will be unable to respond, the same goes for security. Your choice of chemicals is vast. With more planning one could acquire something more toxic.
Gasoline would also strike fear in their hearts. Imagine if you will a puddle of gasoline slowly trickeling under your locked doorway. The fumes rising through the room, spreading, getting more intense. You know whats going to happen. You wait for the flash of fire. You steel yourself for the pain of your flesh being burned. You await death like a whiny bitch. Or perhaps you are hiding behind an overturned lunch table, a spray of liquid rises over the room. The gasoline lands everywhere, the fumes linger. Suddenly being behind a table is no good. You know you are going to burn alive. You don't have to ignite them, you yourself are going to have to escape, but there is no better mode of retreat than fire to cover your tracks.

The use of chemicals is to add another dimension of terror in your enemies. It is to draw people out, to break their spirit, to get them to abandon their cover so they can be dispatched by more conventional means. The chemicals are deadly in their own right, but mass histeria is oh so much better.

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posted June 03, 2000 06:39 PM         

Sure, it would be nice (would it?) to use chlorine gas, gasoline, anfo.

But Eric and Dylan didn't even get in the school before they were shot at. They did a pretty damn good job at what they wanted anyway. They killed the ones who made their lives HELL. They've struck fear into every heart in the WORLD.. The trenchcoat is globaly reconised. It is now a sign of power, to be feared. THEY ARE CULT HEROS. I cannot express that enough. Almost every bullied kid and even those who havn't been bullied, have a trenchcoat. They are reconised, and worshiped.

If I ever go on a building rampage, heres what 'll be carrying:

357 S&M magnum. Its not as fast firing as an auto etc, but it has is advantages. It has less chance of jamming, and I am an excellent shot with it.

5 shot 12 gauge sawn-off, 3 inch #1 buck. 1# is the most destructive load in my opinion. More pellets than 00 giving more chance of a hit, but still large enough to be fatal.

Pipe bombs, various sizes. Stick grenade style as they can be thrown twice as far.

Syringe and a two ounce bottle of pottasium cyanide (home-brew) for suicide. I'd much rather prefer poison death that blowing my face in two with a shotgun. Can have an open casket funeral too.

There is no rifle on the list as I feel that in a building they are too bulky and weigh too much. And considering most classrooms are only up to 15 meters long, the shotgun could handle most situations.

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posted June 04, 2000 04:59 AM            

1. I Don't think any hall monitor or any normal person in the right mind in fact can degun a guy whos shooting up the school. Also why would you want to? Unless your a boring idiot who wants to be in the Sunday Times under the Obituaries.

2. The school plan to leave when there is a shooter loose is stupid. Everyone for themselves. If a shooter shot my teacher I wouldn't care just as long as I got out.

School shootings to be are retaliation. I believe they are neccessary and thats my opinion. ALL I MEAN ALL of these school shootings are provoked except that one where the teacher gets killed for giving the kid ISS. Happened a few weeks ago I think 2.

I am sure this doesn't pertain to many of ya'll cause most of you guys if still in school get picked on a lot. Mostly because your a computer nerd until you "Dislocate" an arm. Good job! But for the rest don't pick on so called nerds cause you might just get a trip to the hospital or end up dead.

posted June 04, 2000 09:09 AM         

This weak little Nerd, turned out to be able to break the bones and dislocate the arms of the person who thought he was so "hard". Just seeing mim lying there clenching his left arm crying was actually funny.

"Self Defense" is so very very sweeeeeet.