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nbk2000
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posted May 13, 2000 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
Here's a little thing I came up with.

It looks like a rock, but as you can see below it's hollow.

I make these by adding styrofoam to acetone till it forms a big blob at the bottom. Add powdered charcoal or graphite till it's black.

Take a blob and roll it around in your hands till it's no longer sticky and drop the ball into a pot of hot water. The hotter the water, the more hollow the rock. Hot tap water makes a rock with a hard, smooth surface. Boiling water makes a soft, rough rock. And, for the same size blob, the hotter the water, the bigger the rock.

I see several different uses for these. Stick dope in it, and if cops come at you, throw it. Good luck trying to find a rock in a park or field. Stick AP and glass granules in it and you have a landmine.

You could make a really big rock and hide a bomb in it in someones yard or driveway.

I'm sure you guys can think up of some other uses.

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BrassMonkey
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posted May 13, 2000 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrassMonkey   Click Here to Email BrassMonkey     
cheap version of those key hiding thingies.


SofaKing
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posted May 13, 2000 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SofaKing   Click Here to Email SofaKing     
Don't handle that stuff with your bare hands acetone will suck the fat out of your hands (makes them dry) and it is difficult to get off (the gunk not the acetone). Other that that you can mold that stuff into anything and wait for it to harden. Solvents like gasoline work too, probably more.

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Ho ju
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posted May 13, 2000 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
land mine, hide drugs, hide a camera (that would be cool. hide this bitch at the playboy mansion...who the hell needs to go to there parties if you can see it all live) lets see what else, you could use it for an actual rock if you needed a look alike for the setting in like a diarama (kinda gay but the idea works) if you do not have any rocks around your house. you could easily intimidate people with it. make a baseball size one and threaten to throw it. i personally would get scared if saw what i thought was a rock getting flying at my head.

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glock
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posted May 13, 2000 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for glock     
is it still flamable after it has hardened?

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Feticidal Fantasy
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posted May 13, 2000 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feticidal Fantasy   Click Here to Email Feticidal Fantasy     
My geologly teacher had a huge fake rock, about the size of a bowling ball. He pretended to struggle while picking it up, then 'accidently' dropped it on the guy's head in the front row.. he screamed and jumped. Another way to make fake rocks is cut out shapes from blocks of foam(the soft spongy type) and then spray paint it grey, then speckle it with white paint.

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SofaKing
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posted May 13, 2000 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SofaKing   Click Here to Email SofaKing     
Glock It's still flammable when dry (the acetone specificly) not that easy to light but once it's going be somwhere else, the stuff spews black noxous fumms and small particles that hang in the air (cough cough cough).

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nbk2000
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posted May 14, 2000 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
Speaking of cameras, I've ordered 2 microvideo cameras, a CCD and a CMOS type. I'm going to experiment with them and keep the best one and return the other one.

I'll also try renting them out, make some money.

Person could put one in a fake rock beside a driveway or trail as surveillance to see when someone is coming or going and who it is. Like police driving up to get you.

Or a rock with a camera can be planted in a flower pot, with the transmitter and power pack buried in the dirt, to watch a room.

I've tried the process on smokless powder putty and that foams up too. Lights very easily. I'm thinking make a ball of AP putty, cover in BBs, then cover it all in straight smokeless putty.

Then the balls, after they've dried, can be shot out of a pipe mortar. After the short delay of the outer smokeless putty burning, the AP putty would be ignited and explode, spraying BBs everywhere.

This is just theory, since I haven't done it myself.

When I first made a styrorock, I asked my friend "Hey, check out this rock I just found!" and threw it straight at him. He flinched. Got to love it.

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BoB-
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posted May 15, 2000 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoB-     
will it have enough mass to do damage if not hollowed? if so I've got a new projectile for the spudguns


AfterRain
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posted May 16, 2000 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AfterRain     
I was in class thinkin' about this rock-post and some one had posted and some one was like " It's still flammable when dry " , But this is cool.... Cause if some ones comin' to look for you , just light the shit and place it some where " the stuff spews black noxous fumms and small particles that hang in the air " , Or if cops are lookin' in a area for you , get a blow-tourch** and light that shit up and place it in some certain area's and poof you be gone and people will " cough cough cough " .......
Thanks SofaKing for the idea !


nbk2000
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posted May 16, 2000 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
Unfortunatly you seem to have the impression that these are some kind of smoke bomb. They aren't.

When they burn they do make some black smoke, but not enough to block sight in any way.

They burn very slowly in fact, melting into a black, sticky mess.

I'd imagine someone could mix them up with nitrate and press them into pellets to dry in the sun. That might work as an incendiary pellet.

What I originally envisioned these being used for where for incendiary mines. They would be filled with GOOP (look it up in IWbook) with an igniter built in.

When the victim stepped on it, it would ignite with a white hot flame that couldn't be put out, and the GOOP is supersticky so they can't wipe it off before it fries everything up to at least their knees to a blackened crisp.

These mines are safer than explosive types since you can simply roll a weighted drum over an area without fear of getting blown up. Any mines that go off simply burn. Or set the field on fire.

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AfterRain
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posted May 16, 2000 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AfterRain     
Sorry I was just goin' off what SofaKing had said....


SofaKing
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posted May 16, 2000 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SofaKing   Click Here to Email SofaKing     
Sorry I was just saying that it does burn and the smoke/particles are bad for you, but the smoke is not in enough quantity to mask anything ( unless you used a lot of it like more than 10lbs). To the person who thought about using this stuff for a potato cannon, I think it's a good idea just mold it into somthing the same diameter of your barrel and you've got a slug.


BrassMonkey
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posted May 16, 2000 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrassMonkey   Click Here to Email BrassMonkey     
nbk2000: what is the IWbook?


SofaKing
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posted May 17, 2000 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SofaKing   Click Here to Email SofaKing     
Brassmonkey it's incendiary weapons book (iwbook) and it's in the forum library well worth the download

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AfterRain
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posted May 17, 2000 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AfterRain     
Sofa,

Does it put alot of smoke out if you would set them up like a stop sign (like put on on each corner but like 10 feet apart) setup.. Would it cause the person to cough bad ?


SofaKing
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posted May 17, 2000 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SofaKing   Click Here to Email SofaKing     
Any smoke will make a person cough, but this stuff is a little bit worse.

You arn't going to get an area effect if it's out side because it will disperse to fast but inside it might work.

If you have ever burned nylon then you would know that it's very noxious. Once I was trying to melt some nylon and I smoke myself out of the basment, and the smell got through the ducts and stunk up the batrooms to.

The fact is that it dosn't gurn fast enough to put out enough smoke, maybe if you added an oxidiser it would work.

Just make the stuff it's not like it's hard or anything and then see for your self.

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PyroTechnic
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posted June 01, 2000 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PyroTechnic   Click Here to Email PyroTechnic     
you could make a mold for it, just use a extra piece of your potato gun barell. this is prettymuch a form of homemade napalm. it is the same as styrafoam and gas but with acetone. rinse it as soon as it is melted to help get rid of some of the acetone put it in the mold but have a plug that you could fit in and later pull out. when it is all dry pull out the plug and fill the hole with quick drying cement. and you thought just a potato hurt...

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Ho ju
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posted June 01, 2000 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
the barrel will not work well for the mold cause the acetone will eat away at the pvc and you will get a rock that is not the right size.

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SofaKing
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posted June 01, 2000 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SofaKing   Click Here to Email SofaKing     
You sure that acetone eats pvc, well at anyhow you could make it with normal gasoline instead and then the mold would work.

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Ho ju
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posted June 01, 2000 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
i do not think gas would be a good choice either with pvc mold. any solvent will eat through most plastics like there is no tomorrow. try a metal mold. that will work

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BoB-
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posted June 02, 2000 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BoB-     
well usually metal barells are slighly larger in diameter than the same size in PVC but luckilly I've got a 1"x48"black steel barell
and 2 extra 1" cls nipples but only 1 end cap
and yes I think your right once I tried the "FAE spud gun" with PVC and after words there was a bunch of semi-deep indentations in the inside of the barell that stopped where the gas line obviously was and I lost alot of accuracy

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