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Metal EcHo
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posted April 15, 2000 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Metal EcHo   Click Here to Email Metal EcHo     
I was wondering if anybody here had any idea of how to make these, or anything that will put a human to sleep once it comes in contact with blood and/or nose. Or if there are any household products that can have that effect on a person, to knock them out immediatelly.


Maddoc
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posted April 16, 2000 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maddoc     
Ether or Chloroform on a rag held to someones nose and mouth will put them to sleep.

In a few days I will post a part of PMJB on the web which has instructions for making Chloral Hydrate (Knockout Drops).

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nbk2000
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posted April 19, 2000 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
I've got articles on making chloroform, chloral hydrate, and chlorobutanol in my website forum (NBK2000) at the forum library site. http://members.xoom.com/forumlibrary

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DaRkDwArF
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posted April 19, 2000 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaRkDwArF   Click Here to Email DaRkDwArF     
on the subject of your website NBK, do you have any plans on ressurecting it???
Your site was a giant inspiration to myself and others in the forum and I hope you do follow through and bring your site back


nbk2000
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posted April 19, 2000 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
I plan to bring it back sometime in the future, but not anytime soon. I'm still working on new content on an off and on basis, but with everything going on in my life right now I just don't have the time.

That's why I have the site archive. One download gets you everything.

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BaDSeeD
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posted April 20, 2000 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BaDSeeD   Click Here to Email BaDSeeD     
For those of you that don't know about the use of Chloroform .. i hope you guys read up on it a LOT. You are just as likely to kill someone using it as you are to knock them out. I wouldn't screw around with the stuff, where what could be a prank could turn out to be a murder.

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Feticidal Fantasy
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posted April 20, 2000 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feticidal Fantasy   Click Here to Email Feticidal Fantasy     
How effetive are stun guns as a knock out tool? Do they knock out a person or just daze them for a while? Does the person go limp on the groud or violently thrash around? I am talking about a 500k model. Killer elite said that common stun guns are shit, but you can buy police quailty models that have their own battery packs, but i haven't been able to find these for sale.

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DaRkDwArF
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posted April 20, 2000 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaRkDwArF   Click Here to Email DaRkDwArF     
My best friends Borther in law has one of the police ones, it's got a recharger stand, 2 battery packs and I think it's like 800k
he shocked his dog with it and it knock it out, so If it can knock is dog out, it's gota do something nasty to a human, but yeah if you can get your hands on one get it, his cost him about AUS$450


Marshall Mathers
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posted May 08, 2000 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshall Mathers   Click Here to Email Marshall Mathers     
You want a powerful Tranquilizer?, may I suggest this?...

"Dissolve 0.206 moles (50 gr.) 2-amino-5-nitrobenzophenone in 250 mL dry chloroform, add over 5 min. 24 mL (314 mmol) chloroacetyl chloride, stir for 2 hrs at 35 °C with moisture protection. Evaporate all volatiles at the rotary evaporator, add more 100 mL chloroform to the residue and evaporate again to total dryness. Take up the resultant 2-(chloroacetamido)-5-nitrobenzophenone in 200 mL THF, add 42 g (0.3 moles) hexamethylenetetramine *(hexamine)*, 900 mL 96% alcohol, and 220 mL (2.95 moles NH3) 25% ammonia solution, density 0.91 kg/L. Reflux for 6 hrs, evaporate (rest in vacuo at the rotary evaporator) all volatiles, add 240 mL toluene and 1 gr. toluenesulfonic acid hydrate and shake. Reflux with Dean-Stark adapter/condenser for 90 min., add 150 mL hot water and let cool down over night. Filter of the brown solid, wash twice with 100 mL water and dissolve in 400 mL dichloromethane. Pack a 30 mm diameter column 5 cm high with silica gel (F254, Merck) / dichloromethane, filter the solution of the crude product through it. Wash the column with 100 mL more dichloromethane (the absorptive filtration will remove some tar), and evaporate the complete filtrate to complete dryness.

About 40 grs. of nitrazepam will result. Nitrazepam is a strong tranquilizer and a hypnotic, dosage: 5 mg.

This yeilds 40 grams, it only takes approx. 25-35mg (depending on size/weight) to put someone instantly into their own "la-la land", and soon to sleep.

This yeilds Nitrazepam (7-nitro-5-phenyl-1,3-dihydrobenzo-[1,4]-diazepin-2-one).

It is equally as powerful as Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol). Have fun, and dont forget to save some for yourself (recreational purposes, of course)


nbk2000
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posted May 08, 2000 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
Some people here can't even spell simple words correctly. Advanced organic chemistry is a little beyond the pale here.

The chloroform synthesis on my site archive does work. I've recently tried it myself and got the chloroform. I've bought chloroform from commercial sources and I recognize the smell.

I think it might be a good idea to mix mace with the chloroform. You're going to be struggling with the victim for a minute, at least, before the chloroform takes effect.

So it wouldn't hurt to improve your odds of success by disabling them with mace so they can't effectively fight back.

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Marshall Mathers
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posted May 09, 2000 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshall Mathers   Click Here to Email Marshall Mathers     
Thats a good idea, I can just imagine what
a "face-drenching" blast from one of those huge pressurized "bear repelant" mace canisters could do with a decent amount of chlorform.

You would probably have to make your own canister. I dont think there is a way to repressurize the "store-bought" ones, (correct me if im wrong though).

If there was a way to repressureize them then it would be as simple as, emptying out the contents by slowly spraying it into an ice cold "dewar" flask. Then add the chloroform to the flask. (you way want to evaporate some of the solvent that was already with the OC/mace). Then from there it is a matter of finding a way to refill the original container and re-pressurizing.

I had an idea (uhh oh)....

This has not been tried, (to my knowlegde).

Those "bear-reppelent" OC spraycans are fairly large (like 1 litre) with a pistol grip trigger. After empty, it would be seemingly easy to drill a hole in the bottom of the canister.

Then, tap it with a tap/die set to make inner threads (assuming the metal canister is thick enough to have enough threads, 1/8'' would be good).

Next, get a threaded fitting (the ones that look kind of like the tips of air stems on freight truck tires). I have forgotten exectly what they are called.
Harbor Freight, JC Whitney, and most any place that sells air tool accessories have them. Anyways they are air compressor valves, the kind with the inner pin which has to be pushed down to fill, basically, like a car tire valve, but built a little stronger.

Then, make an icewater bath (or better) to submerge the canister into. Keep the canister body submerged while you pour the OC/Chloroform tincture back into the canister through the hole you drilled. The ice bath, dry ice acetone bath, (or whatever you use) is to keep the can cold so that the solvent (chloroform) stays condensed.

Finally, screw the fitting into the hole (im not sure if a rubber washer/o-ring would be enough to stand up against the pressure and the chloroform. SO... I reccomend using a "low melting point" brazing compound (solder may work, i dont know). DEFINITALLY keep the can submerged in the cold bath while you braze the fitting into/onto the can after it is threaded in. If the can gets to hot, the chloroform will evaporate and combust if the vapors come in contact with a spark/flame (which is usually required for brazing). So I would personally use a dry ice acetone bath.

After that it should be completely "pressure tight". If anyone trys this I would deffinitely wear a gas mask when you charge it with an air compressor. Wear a gas mask when you spray it to, a gust of wind blowing in your direction could easily prove fatal with this stuff.

I have no Idea if this even works, so be careful if you try it. A rechargable fire extinguisher could work too, but you would probably have to modify the spray tip/spout.


nbk2000
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posted May 09, 2000 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
I had the same basic idea. Only I would use a self-tapping stainless steel screw with a polyethylene gasket to seal the hole. The OC/chloroform mix can be cooled and pressurized at the same time by dropping dry ice into it.

When the mix warms up from -100 F, the CO2 will bubble out of the mix (like warmed soda) and pressurize the can. Test it with a measured amount of dry ice. Then test the spray effect. If it's too weak, add a little more dry ice.

Obviously a fire extinguisher sized canister would be much easier to pressurize, either with CO2 or compressed air. Plus they have a built in pressure gauge.

The intention of this would be to knock out the target, not to kill them. Although that is a possibllity.

Chloroform, being a chlorinated hydrocarbon, is not flammable. But it will decompose into phosgene with heat.

A possible enhancement would be to dissolve styrofoam in the mix so it would stick like napalm. Although the styrofoam may suffocate someone who breaths it or blind someone.

Animal testing would be in order.

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Marshall Mathers
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posted May 13, 2000 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshall Mathers   Click Here to Email Marshall Mathers     
I also wanted to mention.....

Halcion (Triazolam) is a potent tranquilizer. Its hypnotic dosage is 0.125mg. It would only take an injection of around 3 mg to instantly put someone "out" without killing the subject.

You can easily order this (as well as nitrazepam, and liquid pentazocine) from foreign pharmacys without a prescription. The only problem is that you lose your money if customs checks your package. They cannot check every single package, but only expect to receive your package 50% of the time.
If it is intercepted you just get a letter in the mail giving you a chance to dispute the seizure, and it states that if you do not reply within a givin amount of time, that the drugs will be "destroyed" (which means ingested by the customs agents).
You wont even get a phone call or a visit (just a letter) as long as the value of the package isnt over $400, or more than a 90 day supply of the drug.

Triazolam (Halcion) costs an average of $75 per 20mg (not bad at all) after extracted from the 0.125mg pills.

These will probably be in the "Anti-Psychotic" drug section of the pharmacy

If anyone knows where I can find the synth for this (patent numbers, websites), please let me know.

m3nth
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posted May 13, 2000 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for m3nth   Click Here to Email m3nth     
and where might one obtain a list of "foreign pharmacys"?

~m3nth~

Ho ju
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posted May 13, 2000 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
if you live in the US i am sure you can get a canadian or mexican phone book to order it from. i am sure you can do the same in europe if you play your cards right. it would take some effort but it would be worth it.

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Marshall Mathers
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posted May 13, 2000 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshall Mathers   Click Here to Email Marshall Mathers     
*poof*

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Marshall Mathers
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posted May 13, 2000 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshall Mathers   Click Here to Email Marshall Mathers     
*poof*

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Marshall Mathers
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posted May 13, 2000 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshall Mathers   Click Here to Email Marshall Mathers     
Forgot to mention that if you call up the Mexican Pharmacys without websites (which are actually better, and cheaper)...

1) When the pharmacy answers the phone repeat the following "ahbla usted ingles?" which means "do you speak english". If the person answering the phone does not know how to speak english you will probably here a pause while they go find someone who does. If there is not an English speaking person in try again the next day. If you do get an English speaking person ask for their name so next time you call to place another order you will know who to ask for.
2) Follow the procedures the pharmacy suggests.
3) Do not use the Mexican mail. Suggest UPS or Fed-Ex.
4) Remeber you are ordering from Mexico so they expect you to haggle over price. Every penny saved helps.


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