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mosaz
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posted February 03, 2000 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mosaz   Click Here to Email mosaz     
First of all, if someone feel offended by this topic (because of low webspace or because the topic is not about guns&explosives) he should tell me and I will delete it:

A friend of mine had been mugged by some pseudo gansta'z..the motherfuckers broke his nose..now he is thinking about a revenge..(but not about one with weapons or explosives)..his only "weapon" is his body..
because of that it would be nice if somebody on this forum could give me some info about the art of breaking their bones with your hands.
The only file I found on the net about this topic was "100 WAYS TO KILL SOMEONE WITH YOU BARE HANDS" and this file is not ver helpful.


Ho ju
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posted February 03, 2000 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
two words. Brass Knuckles (or hell even powdered lead filled gloves...but that is 4) i talked to a guy i know about brass knuckles and he said he has seen some of the wounds they cause. complete face reconstruction delivered via ass kick express by a not so big guy. basiclly they are the shit. lead filled gloves are better but they are more expensive. i wouls suggest thoughs. you can get them for like 10 bucks on some websites. but if he is not looking for something like this i also have a few suggestions on just "bare knuckle" brawling

1. go for the nutz...you get a guy there with even a minimal blow...he is down for the count.

2. the neck. hit them in the adams apple and they can't breath (will kill...duh!)

3. if they can't breath they can't fight. take a few shots at his lower sternum and gut.

4. kick him square in the knee cap.

5.if you happen to hit him in the nose it is a good thing. i am sure (because your friend got his nose broken) you know that your eyes water profusly and you can't see you bleed like an sob also.

these are just a few ideas. just think of very vunerable places to attack someone. the softer the flesh the better. sometimes a kick square in the throat is better than breaking his nose. but hey, thats your call.

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Predator
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posted February 03, 2000 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Predator   Click Here to Email Predator     
Study the pressure points of a persons anatomy, know where it'll hurt like fuck with even a medium / bad hit.

Bony areas cause the most pain when hit due to the force of your punch compressing whatever skin / flesh they have against the bone itself, and if your strike is hard enough, the bone will snap also..

Ho Ju I don't believe he wants to kill the other party, merely injure them to teach them a lesson.

Oh and not everybody goes down from a kick to the nuts... I know a few people including myself that actually have delayed pain... if you kicked me in the nuts hard I'd beat your silly ass all the way down the road black and blue before I keel over in pain some 5 minutes later :/

Back to the topic of breaking someones bones though, carefull when hitting the head.... strike the temple, where the cranium ( skull ) is so much thinner and you could kill them.. instant felony.

why not just get a air rifle and shoot him right in the butt?
Immense pain, but not lethal
And he'll have to be cut open in hospital to get the pellet out heehee

I don't recommend pointed pellets though, they have a tendency to be inaccurate.. domed pellets are best or Flat headed ones.

[This message has been edited by Predator (edited February 03, 2000).]

Ho ju
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posted February 03, 2000 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
well i know what you mean about delayed pain but i do not think it works for this case. a square kick in the nutz will more likely send you doubling over in pain. i also have the same thing happen to me when i just barely hit my self there. like you just hit it a little. the pain comes in like a min. but if you get smashed there then it comes instantly.

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poison
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posted February 03, 2000 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poison   Click Here to Email poison     
Your best bet is lead filled gloves or brass knuckles ive seen what damage they can do. The lead gloves is a better bet they are more powerfull and you cannot tell there a weapon unlike brass knuckles althought $39.99 a pair in US for them. Brass knuckles can be had for about $11.00 or $12.00 US. My pair of lead gloves should be comming in the mail by tomarro. Heres the places to git lead filled gloves and brass knuckles. Http://www.usknife.com <- Brass knuckles I ordered from here before you will not git riped off. Http://www.firequest.com <- Lead filled combat gloves under combat attir. This is my first time ordering from this company I have talked to them on the phone and sounds like a good company.
-Poison


mosaz
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posted February 04, 2000 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mosaz   Click Here to Email mosaz     
First of all thanks for all the replies!!!
But another question. Is someone with REAL fighting skills here? I thinking about KICK-BOXING or anything similar to that. Because I've heard about some tricks you get learned when doing this "sport". I'm interested in tricks like breaking the enemies wrist with one hand in a second..or anything similar to this.
Has anyone here some info about those real asskicking fighting skills???


Ho ju
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posted February 04, 2000 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
i know how to fight...but i doubt i have "kick ass fighting skills" like you said. but like pred said i think your best bet would be to find very suseptable pressure points and work on those. for example the one in the wrist. (face you palm towards you and at the wrist there are two tendons...press and dig right between thoughs) the inside elbow is another, back of the knee. acheles tendon...groin, neck, eyesballs (a thumb to the eye is a bitch.) right behind the ear, back of the neck, kidneys, spine, (tail bone especialy, give them a good swift kick or knee right to the tip of the tail bone.) as for breaking bones with "advanced" moves (like you were talking about with the wrist...i have no idea)

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poison
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posted February 04, 2000 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poison   Click Here to Email poison     
I have real fighting skills. I went to kick boxing for about a year and currently i have a navy seal teaching me how to fight and kill. Hes showing me the way uncle sam tought him to kill.
-Poison


HMTD Factory
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posted February 05, 2000 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
If you are interested in "twisting" joints
without using too much strength, then
there's plenty of related skills in "Aikido", it's foreign from Japan but guess you all have heard about it, it mainly uses the force
of spinning, to immobilize opponents by twisting the wrists and elbows, throwing.

A defense type martial art, overall speaking.

DaRkDwArF
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posted February 18, 2000 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaRkDwArF   Click Here to Email DaRkDwArF     
hmmm, perhaps, Aikido, Jujutsu, Judo, Hapkido, Ninjutsu, they have good grappling aspects, definate bone breakers, but I guess all martial arts will teach you how to break bnes, tear things and dislocate


uss3cs
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posted February 22, 2000 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for uss3cs     
ya wanna hurt these motha fuckas? brass knuckles are a must, so is skills training. pratice knocking your fist aginst a wall, get callisis so theres less pain in a fight. with brass knuckles ( or bare fists ) when you hit him, twist your fist, it rips skin right off, the pain is amazing. go for the jaw, hit it stright on or to the side. pratice missing pucnhes and shoving them off. when you get the little bastards on the ground and there disortented, with one hand around there neck squessing bring his head 3 inches off the ground and with every bit of weight in your body lay into it with your other fists.


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posted March 01, 2000 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BaDSeeD   Click Here to Email BaDSeeD     
Well guys i have stopped coming here for a while because the more posts i read here, the more i realize that most of you don't know what the hell your talking about.
In the past i worked as a bouncer/bar tender for a canadian strip bar (canadian ballet). And i must say... that swinging at a guys jaw... is the best way there is to get a broken wrist, or at the very least a sprained one. And if you can only throw a decent punch with one hand. Then you can already consider your ass being kicked. As for the powdered lead filled gloves... if your fighting anyone other than a drunk... your swing will be so slow... that they'll simply step back, watch your fist go by, and then hit you 3 or 4 times before you even get your guard up again. And for the peron that said to lift a persons head before you hit them, while they are on their back. I never heard a more stupid reply. This person has obviously never been in a fight, or has only been on the receiving end of a major ass kicking. First of all, when a person is on their back, up against a wall, or when you grab the back of their head, you limit how far it can move. If you throw a decent punch when a guys head is against the ground (or wall) it CAN'T snap back. Every ounce of pressure from your hit goes directly to his face, and your hand i might add. Depending on where you hit them, you'll get massive results, broken noses, broken jaws, missing teeth, shattered cheek bones, and concussions.

I do have to admit, that the person who spoke of twisting their hand while punching DOES know what they are talking about. I took several years of boxing, and this is one of the first things they teach you. I wouldnt say that it "tears flesh off" at least not until you land several hits, but it DOES make for some fast swelling. Another thing they teach in boxing though... is not to snap your hand back as soon as you land a punch. Keep it in contact where you just hit, and lean some weight against it. Just dont keep it there so long that you leave yourself open to a shot. This creates quite a bit more pain. And pain is what wins fights, every time you cause pain, it takes your opponents strength. The first to get tired looses period.

Now back to what i was saying about your opponent being against a wall or on the floor, THIS IS HOW YOU BREAK BONES. Aside from what i already said .. here are some different techniques. Now if you punch at a guys elbow, your likely to get a bruised hand, and him a bruised elbow, not a whole lot more. But if you grab his wrist and "limit his movement" the next strike to his elbow is going to break it. All of the force (or at least most of it) goes into his elbow, and it WILL break. This also applies to knees, however you dont need to hold his leg to do it, while he's standing... his own weight is sufficient to keep his leg from moving.

If you are looking for a hit that will do a lot of damage without a lot behind it (incase your 5 foot nothing and 100 pounds) use the knife edge of your hand, or your forearm if your close enough (NOT YOUR WRIST!!!). Now use a downward angle, and give a sharp hit to the persons collar bone. On most people, their collar bone isnt much thicker than their finger, and it is fairly easy to break. Their is a pressure point here as well for those of you that know this, and also a LARGE bundle of nerves, arteries, and veins just below. Even if you do not hit with enough force to break the bone, a decent hit will make it too painfull for the person to use that arm effectively, for at least enough time that you can follow up.

Now one last word on jaw strikes. USE AN OPEN HAND!!! First angle your hand back so that your palm is out. This is similar to what your hand does when you do a pushup. For those of you who don't know what this is... consult a trainer. And if you can't do any.. PRACTICE! Now with your hand bent back, curl your fingers down as if you were going to scratch someone (catlike) but don't form a fist. Curling your fingers stops them from being broken if you only glance across your target. Now your hit will be using the heel of your hand (where your palm turns into your wrist), and your impacts should be straight in line with your forearm. At an angle like this.. all the bone in your forearm is in line... and the chance of breaking anything of yours, is minimal. Strike hard, and all your hits will be like hammer blows.

Also.. DON'T WASTE ENERGY!!!
When you take a swing at someone, and your hit misses, and passes them, don't simply bring your hand back for another swing. Use that motion for a backhand. Hit them in the temple with your forearm as you bring it back. Give them a backhanded bitch slap... whatever... just dont waste the motion. Most people that know something about fighting will try and dodge or block an attack from the front (as in your swing) but are not expecting to have to block your recovery.

If anyone has any questions about what to do in a certain situation.. post them.

And by the way.. this post wasn't meant to flame anyone, but it really irritates me when someone tries to bullshit their way through a post, when it is CLEAR they don't know what the hell they are talking about. Ask questions and learn, don't try and make other people believe your bullshit.
Read my signature.

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Predator
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posted March 01, 2000 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Predator   Click Here to Email Predator     
A method one of my friends who practices self defense was showing me was to imagine the person is actually a step back from where they actually are.

Visual 2 people taped together, front to back, and your aiming for the guy at the back, through the guy at the front.

Apparently it causes a lot more pain because your punch is a lot stronger, somehow :/




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posted March 02, 2000 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VeHeMT   Click Here to Email VeHeMT     
Yes, in Karate, we were taught(one of the first techniques taught aswell, stance was probably first) to "spin" your arm as you punch. Seems to me it adds power from more muscle movement. Fist starts knuckles down, then as you punch you naturally turn it up. If you dont, then it becomes more of a jab.


Ho ju
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posted March 02, 2000 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
one thing that always works for me when "fighting" with my friends and brother (by fighting i mean wrestling/boxing in a playful yet aggressive manner) is to start off with a quick kick to the shin/knee cap and then follow up with a punch to the nose/face (i do not actually contact when playing with my friends but it has always worked) whenever i have done this the other guy always lowers his guard in anticipation of a STRONG blow to the legs when in actuality it is his face that is broken. this isn't really a dreadful way to start a fight but it helps with someone about your same size

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