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nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 08, 1999 12:01 PM Here's a site http://www.grrtech.com/sabot/006.htm I found that sells saboted flechette loads for shotguns and 37mm launchers. Since these aren't finished ammo rounds, there aren't any sales restrictions (age or ID). You can buy 37mm launchers (again, no restrictions) through the mail or internet for about $100. They have ones like break open shotguns ($100) or that attach like grenade launchers underneath a rifle (~$250). The hulls cost about $1 each and you load the powder and primers yourself. The 12 guage rounds (you have to load them yourself) cost about $2 each ($1.50 by the hundred), the 37mm $20 each ($80 for 5). But just imagine the havoc just 1 blast from one of the 37mm rounds would wreak on a crowd. Holy Shit! There's a hundred of the darts in just one round and they have a range of 300 meters. Just look at the picture of this thing. Would you want to be downrange from this? Those columbine fools could have caused a total slaughter with these things. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted December 08, 1999 03:30 PM holy fuck imagine someone going through the crowd at NYC on New years eve( at about 11:50 pm) with sheels loaded with these things? that would be alot of dead people let me tell you. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Predator Frequent Poster	posted December 08, 1999 03:50 PM Just a little note on the picture. It is not actually that size, and neither are the darts. They are magnified about *2 the true size of those darts aare about half that size, and hence all assumptions about what they could do must be re-evaluated.
Ho ju Moderator	posted December 08, 1999 04:11 PM that sucks... ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Apathetic Frequent Poster	posted December 08, 1999 05:45 PM I read some where once (probally in a cook book) that you can make your own rounds like that. what you do is get a pipe the same diameter as your barrel and cut it into like 2" sections, then get some plaster of paris,and some small nails. with a hammer flatten the heads of the nails, then mix up the plaster according to the directions and pour some into your pipe/mold and now add the nails. when the plaster is dry push it out of the mold. I guess you should grease up the mold first.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted December 10, 1999 06:15 AM Is it legal in Canada too? I can buy one of those and freak my friends out.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted December 10, 1999 02:49 PM Im supposing that the way it's supplied its as legal as a bag of nails, dont trust me on this one though. Flechettes are so nasty that they rip right through conventional body armour(unless you plan on wearing a steel plate). Then they like o fragment inside the body making iddy biddy splinters of metal jammed in your organs, its for this reason they are banned internationaly.
Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster	posted December 14, 1999 05:01 PM I cut the heads off a handful of nails and loaded them into my 1/2" barrel on my pnumatic rifle at 110 psi. I shot it at a wooden wall and it did quite a lot of damage. It riped up the wood very badly although only 2 nails actually stuck into the wood and remained. I was impressed. ------------------ Feticidal Fantasy- http://www.darksites.com/souls/vampires/feticidal/ "Keep your gun as your constant companion."
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 24, 1999 09:52 AM Here's a URL for a 37mm launcher http://www.mbmammo.com/thumper.html . I saw this one reviewed in SWAT magazine. It was well rated. Belows are some pictures. It costs about $250 all totaled. And the ammo could be used as is for urban combat. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
*Igenx* Frequent Poster	posted December 24, 1999 12:30 PM Firequest also sells 37 mm grenade launchers, the ones with folding stocks and break actions are about $200 US.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted December 27, 1999 06:17 PM Too bad the commercially available ammo is so expensive. But then again thats a good thing since when you load your own, you can make completely customized rounds.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted December 28, 1999 02:55 AM Customize eh? What can possibly be more sinister than shooting nails at enemy? Hmmmm....
Ho ju Moderator	posted December 29, 1999 09:27 PM shooting nails with a slightly hollowed point loaded with ricin ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted December 30, 1999 12:26 AM Or maybe barbed nails with drugs on it, heheh
Ho ju Moderator	posted December 30, 1999 12:33 AM barbed?!!! that would be some nasty shit. for killing purposes it would be better to have the shrapnel stick into and not actually pass through. damn that is a good idea. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
BaDSeeD Frequent Poster	posted January 12, 2000 12:27 PM nbk2000 Thanks for that link. To avoid the high price of preloaded flechette rounds i have been looking for suppliers of loading components. If you come across any other suppliers please post them. I like that this company offers the flechettes in bulk, however they DON'T offer the wads in bulk. I'm not sure if your knowledgeable on their loading or not, or if you posted this for people to look into. I'm curious if other wads can be substituted safely, such as a standard WAA wad, and also if some other hulls can be used. I frequently shoot sporting clays, and reload for each session. So therefore i have a large supply of Winchester AA, and Remington Primier Hulls. The page had only a limited amount of loading data. If you know of any other combinations.. please let me know.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 12, 2000 06:04 PM Here's a place that sells bulk flechettes. http://www.imsplus.com/ims35. $25/lb. Another place that sells them for $4.95/lb is RPB Industries, P.O. Box 367, Avondale Est., GA, 30002. (404)297-0907. (800)858-0809 orders only. M-F 10am-6pm. They also sell the 37mm launchers as low as $190. They have a 6 shot 37mm gun for $1,300. Plus a shitload of accessories for the M11/9mm. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000 [This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited January 14, 2000).] [This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited January 14, 2000).]
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 17, 2000 06:18 AM Apparently, when you edit a post, it doesn't show up as a new post in the section index. By this I mean that I edited the above post on the 14th, but it showed on the listings as the 12th (when it was originally posted). ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000

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