posted April 13, 2000 03:24 AM            

If a person has to use paper they should remove the paper from the pad and write on a hard surface (metal or glass). Wood and plastic could take an impression if a person presses hard.

Computer hard drives can be wiped with special programs, but there is no guarantee of success if the government throws all its resources into finding out what was on that disk. The only sure way is the total destruction of the hard disk. Melting with thermite or dissolving with acid are the only sure ways of total destruction.

You could use RAMDRV (in DOS) to create a virtual hard drive in your RAM memory and set the path for the swap file to the virtual drive. When you're done computing, the virtual drive dissapears and all remnants of your data with it. Data should be stored in encrypted form (PGP with very strong passphrase) on removable media that can be taken with you and easily destroyed.

Vpr is probably refering to some kind of deletion program. I've got one I downloaded called "Evidence Eliminator" (http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/). But when someone refers to a program then it's usually polite to include a URL for it so others may know what it is you're talking about.

posted April 13, 2000 06:26 PM            

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posted April 14, 2000 03:25 AM            

For info on RAMDRV, put your win98 CD in and go to tools\oldmsdos\help. You need to go there from the DOS prompt. Then choose the RAMDRV item and it will explain everything you need to know.

And while you guys are killing one person with your filter papers, I know of people who've killed millions with nothing more than words on paper. Hitler for one.

posted April 14, 2000 06:52 PM            

No how do they do it? Any file can be recovered a few times, thats why you do several deletes. The government found out a way to undelete several burns. So, programs came out that can delete several hundred times, even several thousand now. The government can only get to a hundred or so. It not because of the technology, it's physics, you can recover to a lesser extent each burn, after a few hundred there is nothing left.

Of course such burners are quite illegial cause the authorities can't beat em , and if 30 deletes are slow, try 1000! Those involved in computer security can make their deleters do that no problem, I am sure there are some out there. I have obtained my data from a defense contractor who is involved in computing for Skunk Works design (stealth bomber technology and all secret aircraft for US gov't).

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posted April 14, 2000 10:32 PM            

Personally, nothing sort of the utter physical destruction of a disk or CD would be satisfactory security.

posted April 15, 2000 04:10 AM            

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posted April 15, 2000 11:37 AM            

and whenever you feel the need to take someones life always be level headed about it, never kill while enraged (it might sound hard but it could help out in the long run) make plans and think ahead. forensic science is amazing shit and even the smallest slip up (leaving a glass fragment from your car on the persons clothes, or a fiber from your carpet can all get you fucked) i would even go as far to suggest studying forensic science in your spare time just so you can stay on top of all the new tech. that is coming out.

posted April 15, 2000 01:33 PM         

After that you could just dump the acid/body mixture in different places and there would be a very slim chance of you getting caught.

I was also watching a show about mass murders and such like and this one case came up about these 2 guys and this girl who were at a house together. One of the guys got pissed and killed her. They then cut up the body, and burn't it in the fire pit. They then spread the ashes along 20 miles of freeway.

They didn't get caught until 7 years later when one of the guys came forward and told the cops what happened. They found some fragments of bones in the fire pit, but they were too decayed so they could not be linked to the girl.

They almost gave up until they found a tiny spot of blood on the wall in the bathroom (where they cut her up into about 20 pieces), which they matched to her through DNA testing.

The guy that came forward got 1 month because he helped the cops and all he did was drive the car when they dumped the ashes. He didn't actually kill her or have much of a role in the killing. The other guy got life.

posted April 15, 2000 05:57 PM            

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posted April 15, 2000 06:28 PM         

About forensic science. You have probably heard of Pan Am flight 103. It blew up because of a terrorist bomb over Lockerbie Scotland. Two lbs of semtex ripped the plane to shreads, no one survived. The debris rained-down over 20 square miles. A piece of circuit board, smaller than your little finger-nail made the case. That tiny board showed that terrorists hid semtx inside a radio. It even told them what make of radio it was.

Shows what forsensic science can do.

posted April 15, 2000 09:07 PM            

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posted April 15, 2000 09:34 PM            

I believe it reacts with the iron in blood to cause it to fluoresce. Black light may help but isn't needed.

You can buy it here: http://www.sirchie.com/luminol1.htm . $58/pint.

Here's a URL for a page with several references on luminol: http://www.law.depaul.edu/cls/criminalscience/crimescene/luminol.html .

For other subjects regarding forensics go to http://www.kruglaw.com/f_criminalistics.htm .

I've seen this other stuff sold for hunting that you spray on a blood trail to make it easy to follow your wounded prey. It also makes blood glow. Don't know what it's called though.

If a person was anticipating some "wet" work, they could use their own bottle of luminol to find any traces of blood at the scene and remove it. Then if the cops ever came looking, it would already be gone, every last trace. HA!

Sticky rollers for hairs, TYVEK bunnysuits for fibers, smooth rubber gooped to the soles of your shoes for prints, gloves for prints, plastic sheets and saran wrap for blood, and on and on.

What ever happened to the good ol' days when you could carve up a whore in a back alley of London and leave the knife behind, knowing the coppers could do nothing with it?

posted April 16, 2000 01:56 PM            

As for burning the body, that is your best bet as well. I suggest using a 55 gallon drum with plenty of wood. The body will burn away and the ashes will remain in the drum. Not all of the bone will be burned - thats what will get you. Sift out any bone fragments and crush them up with a hammer then proceed to dump them down the drain (a storm drain not yours). The flow of water over the years will wash away every trace. Now you have to wash the drum throughly and dispose of it. Some idiot did this once and his mistake was to take the drum and drop it off next to some others. Some people say him dropping his drum at their business and called the cops. Inside were unburned bits of skull (the hardest to destroy I guess) and enough to convict him. The moral? Clean everything up, destroy everything yourself. Dump everything as normal.

A topic that may be of more use in dumping bodies is newborn infants (yes this is sick, but try to be impartial). How many dead babies are just dropped in the top of a trash can after an unwanted "hotel room" birth? It seems like every day on the news a new one turns up. It would seem to me that the easiest way to be rid of one would be to dispose of it as one would an animal carcess. Either cut it up, liquify it in a blender, or otherwise cook it to disguise the fact that it is indeed human. The remnents can then be sent down the garbage disposal, carefully wrapped in a tied trash bag, or dumped down the drain.

After you have a sack full of evidence carefully wrapped, the crime scene throughly cleaned, what then do you do with the remaining remains? Most people are of the mindset to get rid of it as fast as possible. They do something stupid like act funny and suspicious. That fellow dropping the drum somewhere is one. OJ Simpson did it right, he dumped his bloody evidence at some public trash can like anybody else would. Thats what you have to do, drop off your trash like everybody else, put the bag in a dumpster at an apartment building, or at a public trash bin.

To recap... have the body well sealed and wrapped (treat it like dirty diapers)

Do not throw the trash away in a suspicious manner (treat it like oridinary trash)

Try to dispose the trash in several places (a body is heavy, a heavy bag can break open...)

Dispose of everything involved: cloths, shoes, weapons, cleaning utensiles, carpets. Blood may get into the carpet, so get rid of it. Blood may splatter on cloths, shoes leave footprints, glass bits and fibres can still be on them. Scrubbers that were used to clean up may slip some peoples minds, they are bloody now. The weapon is obvious.

Without a body and a murder weapon all they have is motive and opportunity, at the worst you will get out before long if convicted, at the best you will be acquitted in short order.

posted April 17, 2000 12:09 AM            

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