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Vpr Frequent Poster |
This topic is for discussions about how teams of law enforcement investigators work the internet, where they can and do circumvent laws, ethics, and policies in order to set up entrapment situations, what to look for and how to avoid being set up, entrapped, accused, convicted and imprisoned. I am going to give these sucker mouth parasite bastards and their families, friends and neighbors a few presents. They know me already. I DON'T recommend that others openly make statements like this. Viper |
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Ho ju Moderator |
The way i see it a cop can not come out and ask you to do something wrong. like with prostitution, the hooker cop can not ask the man/or women wanting the sex If they want the sex. the non-cop needs to ask...or it is entrapment. i think the same thing works online. if you get some cop posing as a 13 year old girl and he is talking to a 40 year old wacko, the 40 year old needs to ask to come see the 13 year old not the other way around. once the sicko asks though the cop can say yes and set it all up. i think it all boils down to who asks who. at least that is the way i see it. someone please tell me if i am wrong. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited April 03, 2000).] |
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Cypher Frequent Poster |
My hat goes off to you Vpr. Good thinking about posting a topic such as this, so we can all be informed and not end up doing something and getting busted because we didnt know the rules. Im definetley interested in knowing more about the legal aspects of our "hobby". ------------------ |
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VeHeMT Frequent Poster |
Ho Ju, we're not talking about pedophiles, so the situation is different, this is more of a someone asks you how to kill someone or how to destroy some building. |
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Ho ju Moderator |
yes but i believe the situation is the same. a cop can not ask you to blow of a building cause it would be entrapment. you yourself have to bring up and commit to the idea first. JUST LIKE what i said earlier about the 40 year old perverts ------------------ |
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megalomania Administrator |
The cops do indeed have to follow the law and they can not come right out and say certain things. They can ask you to kill someone and wait for you to quote the price. A cop cannot quote a price for sex, they ask you want you want and then wait for you to quote them a price. A good rule of thumb when involved in such dealings is always insist they quote a price first. Never say anything other than vague statements because if it's a sting, your on candied camera... ------------------ |
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killer_elite Frequent Poster |
Cut the following statement out and paste it on your mirror where you will read it daily. ---------cut---------cut------------cut----- BEWARE OF ANY NEW PEOPLE WHO COME INTO YOUR LIFE. They will most likely be INTRODUCED TO YOU BY A FRIEND. This friend, whom you may have known for years may or may not know this new person is really a cop. This is a time tested method used by cops for decades. They continue to use it because IT WORKS, AND BAGS MORE BAD GUYS THAN ANY OTHER TECHNIQUE USED. Cops scheme to find ways into 'the network'. IT PAYS TO BE AN ASSHOLE WITH NO FRIENDS (or as few as possible). Ask anyone sitting in prison. ------cut---------cut-----------cut---------
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nbk2000 Moderator |
Also remember that just because your fucking them doesn't mean that they're not a cop. I've read of several cases where undercover female cops were having sex with the suspect (usually a drug dealer) to gain the targets trust. And then busting them. ------------------ |
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VeHeMT Frequent Poster |
It only takes one instance in which the law enforcement individual does not conform to his own laws to get you busted. Not worth taking such a chance, you can appeal as much as you want, but usually EVEN if your innocent they will still lock you up. |
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Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster |
The legal definition of entrapment is "The act of a peace officer to induce a person to commit a crime not already contemplated by that person, for the purpose of prosecution." And I belive entrapment is a felony. A peace officer would not commit a felony to bust you, espically since they know a high profile case like this would be highly investigated. A cop would be killed in minutes in prison, he would not risk that. Also, if you made a statement like "I blew up my neighbor yesterday." they cannot arrest you just for that. It is established in law that you cannot be convicted on your confession alone. If you made a statement like that, it would be enough probable cause for a judge to issue a search warrant and the FBI would come and search your house. That is, if they belive you and feel like waisting their time investigating. I think they have enough business already and would not spend too much time here. They have everyone's address that posts here.. if a bomb blew up in your town, you might get interigated. Just don't blow anything up.. behave and they won't bug you. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Feticidal Fantasy (edited April 06, 2000).] |
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Vpr Frequent Poster |
Sorry I haven't been back for awhile. 'Entrapment' is more common and the manipulations and techniques used go beyond any legal protections you think you might have. I will elaborate more on this later. Here is a quote i copied from an article I found at It is from 1997 and is outdated, as the tools used for espionage, and in the interest of NA_tional Z_ecurit_I are more advanced now. Birds of a Feather --Michael Wilson 7Pillars Partners |
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rjche Frequent Poster |
Guys you are all assuming the cop is going to tell the truth about what he did. Do you carry one of those little digital tape recorders with you to have some proof what actually occured? Even with it you have only a small chance of beating a group of lying officers and prosecutors. Are you up on what corruption was revealed in California by one cop who got sick of it and talked. Caused many prisoners to be released. However, NO ONE has been criminally prosecuted as of yet, and I don't expect any to be. How long since you heard of a prosecutor being prosecuted for the felony of assisting a criminal lie to a grand jury? or a cop for lying to a jury? or a judge for tampering with court records? These things are not rare events. They happen every day. Cops belong to a gang, and like any gang, their loyalty is to other members FIRST, and to the GAME of busting people SECOND, and to the law and other good stuff LAST. If you fail to understand that they can convict you if you cannot prove pretty persuasively to a jury that ALL OF THEM are lying, then you are not playing with a full deck. Even having chemical books, magazines, chemicals, gun magazines, etc in your home when they search, will be used to convince the press (read that your future jurors) that you are a terrorist type. How many news stories of persons who did something weird do you need to read where they list all the strange writings they found in their home as media proof the guy was a wacko? Well that same stuff will get to a jury also, one way or another. The prosecutor will see to it. Bottom line, cops, prosecutors, judges, do not get punished for getting caught committing crimes. At most they are reprimanded, given paid vacations, and told to go forth and do better. They do. They try harder not to get caught next time. Example, a kid bangs off a loud cracker. Neighbors complaint of an explosion. Cops come, track it to the kid. Get a warrant to search for explosives. Their affadavit to get it contains many lies, which they know you can't prove are lies. They find chemicals and books on explosives, as well as lots of stuff on his computer. They seize the chemicals, and announce to the press they seized chemicals which can be used to make explosives. You get a local headline as a dangerous person. They take your chemicals out to a field, where the bomb squad puts a pound of C4 on it, and calls the press to take pix of the explosion your stuff caused. Your lawyer tells you to make deal or get burned bad. Whether you do or not you get the shaft. All that varies is its diameter and length. If underage you might get leneincy. If 18 or over you get nothing. They need examples to show other people of how seriously they take explosives tinkering. If there is anything in all that which seems unreal to you, study the papers about such incidents. Shoot the cracker at school and expulsion is almost certain. To underestimate the corruption of your enemy is to guarantee him success. While you are pasting things on your forehead or mirror, try this, almost all cops lie willingly, all cops lie when they have to to support other cops. The one cop who quit doing that in LA or SF whichever, is so rare that it got headlines worldwide. All the things said in previous posts about rules, cease to function if the cop just says that didn't happen, and says something else did. |
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PyroTechnic Frequent Poster |
there is a good ex about what he was/is talking about, some cops shot some guy to death recently, (it was on court tv for about 2 months of something) because they THOUGHT he had a gun, not a single cop served 30 min in jail, EVERY SINGLE ONE GOT SCOT FREE. one guy pumped like 15 rounds in him. if anyone knows what i am talking about post it because i forgot the name of the trial ![]() ------------------ |
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PyroTechnic Frequent Poster |
some1 said before about prostitution. If you are getting a prostitute ask them ARE YOU A COP? it is illigal for a cop to say no. they will say something like "are you kidding?" if this happens just leave. only a straight no is when i would go thorugh with it. ------------------ |
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Ho ju Moderator |
i believe what you are refering to happened in NYC about 4 months ago. His name was Amadu Diallo. He was an imagrent and did not even speak english. The cops thought he had a gun but he was actually pulling out his wallet cause he thought he was getting robbed. The man of course was black and all 4 of the cops were white... but then again it actually was dark, and he did reach behind his back and pulled out something. If i was a cop i would have shot him. ------------------ |
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Maddoc Frequent Poster |
I remember something like that. They emptied their wepons into him, all 42 rounds. ------------------ |
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PyroTechnic Frequent Poster |
that is what it was. ------------------ |
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VeHeMT Frequent Poster |
This is very true, around here the law enforcement crew try to get anybody using illegal fireworks(small class c 1.5 inch black cats!) etc.. but will ignore a group of teens smoking drugs at a childrens park. It is also well documented how law enforcement in the california(well, everywhere actually) area like to resell their 'loot' from drug runners and dealers. |
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nbk2000 Moderator |
Here's a fucked up parody of what happened to dude in New York. It's funny as hell, as well as being almost true. "NYPD Apologizes For Accidental Shooting-Clubbing-Stabbing-Firebombing Death Above: New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, flanked by police commissioner NEW YORK--New York City police commissioner Howard Safir issued a formal Livingston
Ever hear of the term "DWB: Driving While Black"? Well, this is the other definition of DWB: Dead While Black. ------------------ Search the archive before you ask. http://members.xoom.com/forumlibrary [This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited May 06, 2000).] |
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crossme18 Frequent Poster |
I completely disagree with the cop hooker issue. Some cops will arrest the hookers, but most cops in big cities will get a blow, screw, money or so forth. I was in Las Vegas and saw hookers not getting arrested. Anyway I completely agree if I was planning to blow some dudes house up I wouldn't even tell someone in my city much less some of ya'll. I trust all ya'll but I wouldn't like disclose it before I did it. I might however show ya a picture of a bombing and say its my lakehouse. hehe. ALSO chances of running into a cop online is slim, chances are a user will turn you in first. Randy |
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SofaKing Frequent Poster |
Lol lol lol great story nbk2000 but they would have also latter brought the body to a field so they could detnonate any "explosive material he might have been carrying" with a 5lb charge of C4 to make sure to burn up any "chemical or biological agents" ![]() ------------------ |
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nbk2000 Moderator |
And when they blow up the body they'll say they did it "for the children". Other buzzwords and catch phrases: "Mad Dog" (out of date), "Career Criminal" (you stole a candy bar when you were 10 years old), "Danger to the Community", "Suspected Pedophile" and "Suspected Child Pornography" (they love using this when there is no proof of wrong doing to show the press since they can't legally show child porn to the press), "Stockpile of Weapons" (meaning a baseball bat and an empty beer bottle), "Suspected of other Crimes" (meaning they want to use you as a scapegoat for the cases they're too stupid to solve themselves), "Made a Furtive Movement" or "I thought he was reaching for a weapon" (they stopped you to fuck with you for no reason and, finding nothing, blew you away). Anyone else have some good ones to add? ------------------ Search the archive before you ask. http://members.xoom.com/forumlibrary [This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited May 10, 2000).] |
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SofaKing Frequent Poster |
Here's a great one "intent" or how about "allegedly"------------------ |
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crossme18 Frequent Poster |
Let's not forget biggest druger supplier around(has a stockpile of sandwich baggies). Or him being a child rapist(holding hands with a child). Cops nowadays in big cities frame you when they goof up. Ex. Tom robbed a store, he told the lady to give him money, she did. He left. Tom ditched the gun and the cops chased him. Hes scared so he runs. The cop shoots him dead. No gun found so they leave one. Easy trick for cops to do. Wipe off their own fingerprints and leave it with the dead dude. |
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Ho ju Moderator |
wow i read the stockpile of weapons thing nbk said and he is not far off. a 1000 .22's found in your home will get the police to say that you have a stockpile of weapons ready to start a war (a brick of .22's is 500...2 is 1000 cost likes 30 bucks) that and if you are a hunter you might have more than one weapon. likea rifle or two, a shot gun, pistol and shells for each. stockpile right there. i hate the cops. they always think they are right and the only time they are wrong is if you have 10 times the amount of info that yiou would need to convict a normal man... pisses me off ------------------ |
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