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Ho ju Moderator	posted February 18, 2000 08:22 PM does anyone have any good assasination techniques that they would like to share? i put silent in the topic to eliminate explosives and guns because they are the obvious choice. i am interested in concelement more than anything. How you would get your weapon in and out, of say a banquet being attended by a head of a country is of great importance. i have a few ideas but i would like to see what you guys have? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! http://members.xoom.com/Splynncryth
killer_elite Frequent Poster	posted March 14, 2000 10:03 PM Hide the gun in the building long before the event. That way you walk in clean. When I say hide, I mean as in bury the fucker in a wall and plaster over it. Either way up high or way below a floor. Depending on who the VIP is, will depend on how much security is involved. Lets say Hitler has been cloned by the Neo-Nazi's down to his tiny pecker. Expect the highest security imaginable. But even the best laid plans can be defeated if you know enough about the layout and how the the security team operates. You find this out by conducting recon long before the event. You watch everything from a distance and always use a different disguise. They watch for guys doing this shit and will nail you in a heartbeat if they think they've seen you twice in different cities. The same goes for bombs. They have to be planted either far in advance or seconds before the visit. Hiding explosives is tricky and nitrate sniffers are hard to beat. I once had an idea for a story where the assassin fed detonation cord into the plumbing system from a clean out on the outside of the structure. Once it was woven throughout the pipes it was detonated with a blasting cap. The trick is to outsmart the security team. They live in constant fear of being outfoxed or overwhelmed by something they hadn't thought of. The assassin must costantly strive to create new and clever methods. Are there ways to completely blindside their security measures? You bet there are. Read books on creativity and visit websites devoted to the same. A true assassin reads constantly. Books, and now the Internet are his best learning tools. killer_elite
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 14, 2000 10:18 PM Let me be the first to welcome you back man. How long has it been? I agree with the idea that you should scout and scout and scout and then scout again. preperation is so much more important then the actual execution of a plan. About the N2 sniffing dogs. i have been thinking of ways to defeat them. Will a, say 1 inch thick lead sheet (like the ones you use when you go to get an x-ray) covering the explosive defeat there noses or will you need somehting more? Another measure i can think of is using plastics and wood as puncture weapons. this coupled with poison would be a good idea for a suicide type thing. (but if you are going to do it the suicide way why not just jack a u-haul and drive your explosive right through the front gate ) ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! [This message has been edited by Ho ju (edited March 14, 2000).]
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 11:54 AM Recently in England (i try to keep up with the news), a woman who worked in the Royal kitchens got fired for commenting on how easy it would be to kill the Queen and royal family. She then asked someone where to get cyanide. Other than being a dumb bitch her plan would work. However you would have to be working in the kitchens or get at the food before. If you were going to a party etc. Ethel Glycol (is that spelt right?) from antifreze, mixed with some fruit juice and Gator aid (for taste) could pass off as punch. People who had drunk it would look like they had just had too much too drink before they turned their toes up to the daisys. A good direct contact wepon would be an ice pick (the small ones). If you took the pick out of the handle and widened the hole so that it went into so that just fits in but will come out when plunged into your victim. You would super glue a fish hook barb to the pick so that it stays inside the ictim better. Once used you could simply flick away the handle and join in with the crowd. The wound would close up pretty quick when ussing this and it should be fatal before the person could be treated as it would make multiple hole through organs and would be barbed making it difficult to remove. Back to poisons, there are two other methods I can think of right now. One would be to spike your victims drink with Nicotine; obtained by soaking a can of copenhagen (tobacco) overnight in 4 ounce's of rubbing alcohol. The drink would have to be sweet, like wine, i've been told that cofee works too. The next way would be to put chopped up rhubarb leaves in the salad etc. Death comes in about 2 minutes by these. Diced oleanders (a type of flower) might work too. This info is for infomational purposes only, I take no responsibility if you kill anyone. ------------------ Whoa, where my fingers?
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 11:58 AM sorry, I forgot to mention that the liquid from the nicotine should be boiled away until there is only about 30mls left (always strive for quality, not quantity). About 3 cc (ml) is fatal intravenously (hypodermic needle), about 5 mls - 10 would be fatal by ingestion. Nicotine is quite an alkaloid so your victim would get prety high before he died. Water could be used instead of alcohol for the soaking of the tobacco.
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 15, 2000 03:19 PM When i mentioned plastics and wood for puncture weapons i was thinking of ways to defeat a metal detector. an ice pick would send one of those things blaring like there was no tomorrow. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 05:43 PM Just some info.. I have a cousin who's in thwe italin military police, the Carabinary, he mentioned something (he does not speak very good English) about wrapping a metal object in toilet paper stops the alarm?... I am not sure what he was exactly talking about but he did work at airport security so he would have been showed what smugglers do. I'll come back to you all when I get some more info ------------------ Whoa, where my fingers?
killer_elite Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 08:10 PM Plastic weapons and poisons are very good ideas. Minnery recomends these in Kill Without Joy and has many examples. This is our bible guys, I beg of you to get a copy right away before there gone. I constantly refer to this book in my posts. It helps if everyone understands what I am talking about. Spray acrylic could be used to seal bullets or a bomb from nitrate sniffers. Several coats would have to be applied. The assassin would have a duplicate (stolen) bomb sniffer in his workshop to verify the seal is airtight. I electronics class we all learned that electricity will not penetrate glass. A gun in a big jar could be experiented with. Professional terrorists have their own X-ray machine to test various ideas. I am vary impressed to see that many of you have the right books in your library. The poison ideas are excellent textbook examples. killer_elite
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 15, 2000 08:32 PM I unfortunetly do not have any books like these in my library. in fact it is pretty bare now that i think of it. all the ideas i present here are usually my own. i guess that is just the way the wheels in my mind spin. Do x ray machines emmit electricity or do they emit something else? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
West Frequent Poster	posted March 15, 2000 09:25 PM x-rays emit .... x-rays radiation'n stuff...
Ho ju Moderator	posted March 15, 2000 09:34 PM duh... what i emant was will glass reflect the xrays just like it reflects elec? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted March 16, 2000 12:55 AM You dont need a very thick container to defeat sniffers, just a good clean(important) seal. Its all about the residue. The acrylic spray idea is great. Remember to get rid of residues on your person after the completion of the device , your clothes your skin your jewelry etc...
megalomania Administrator	posted March 25, 2000 07:53 PM What you really need to do is take extreme care while transferring the contents to the container. A good way is to use a multi-stage approach. Add the material very carefully to a plastic bag that has the edges folded over another container (like a trash bag goes over a garbage can) and use a funnel to avoid any spiling. Then place the bag very carefully into the container or into a second and third bag beforehand. The object here is to avoid every avenue of contamination. Imagine this like it was a nerve gas or radioactive material and treat it accordingly. Allow none of the material to come in contact with your person, and never come in caontact with the final container. Oh, and the best way to defeat the dogs is with masking materials. Drug dealers have already come up with some to hide pot and coke. They (druggies and cops) are tight lipped about what it is though. Places like Delta press sell plastic knives, for a bonus poison the plastic knife ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Cypher Frequent Poster	posted April 03, 2000 08:24 PM Ever seen in the Line of Fire with Clint eastwood? Would the method he used work? Or is it just hollywood being creative? For those of you who havent seen it the assassin makes a wooden gun with enough power to shoot a round and hides his ammo in a rabbits foot i think it was. that way he walked in and when the detector went off all they saw was the rabbits foot and let him in. whadda think? ------------------ Cypher
nbk2000 Moderator	posted April 03, 2000 09:19 PM He used a plastic composite gun that he cast from a mold. Not wood. It's a feasible idea. I'm sure it's been done somewhere at sometime. After all, if some hollywood writer though of it imagine how many professional weapons designers the government has have already thought of it. BTW this has already been discussed before and is in the IW archive. Use it please. Thank you. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
killer_elite Frequent Poster	posted April 03, 2000 10:24 PM I've put a lot of thought into that little gun of his. You do know that it is from the IMPROVISED MUNITIONS BLACK BOOKS VOL 3? At least the basic design is. They make it out of oak in the book and use rubber bands, not springs for the firing mechanism. The gun in the book would be mch easier to sneak past a metal detector. Plastic, no matter which type you use (such as compisite fiberglass or thermoplastic) will only work as a "one-time gun". The heat from the gunpowder will melt the inner barrel slightly, and repeat shots would be dangerous to the shooter. Ceramic would be a slightly better choice, but it too would be risky. Using wood, plastic or ceramic would require a reducion in the powder charge and high calibre bullets are out all together. They do make plastic handguns. The inner lining of the barrel is metal. Something to think about. An assassin could use the break lining from a car or the antenna from a radio as the inner barrel shaft in his plastic gun. Hollywood writters are often forced to add or take away certin parts which make 'really doing it' more difficult. The movie 'The Jackel' with Bruce Willis is a prime example. Do you think the original writter used that big-ass cannon in the original script? No way. His original idea was to use a standard off-the-shelf machine gun (For sake of argument it doesn't matter what calibre). The cannon was overkill of almost comedic proportions. Think how much easier it would be to steal, smuggle or buy a black market machine gun. But, you see, they don't want to plant seeds in our already paranoid society. When you watch a movie like that always try to see the real picture. Simplify every aspect. Always try to figure out how to take away components from the idea or device. It should have as few working parts as possible. One or two actions should be the motto of the mechanic devising his own weaponry, bombs and planning the gig. And just in case your wondering where the electronics for the Jackel's gun are laid out, you know, the computer keyboard and cell phone hook-up. If your lucky enough to have a copy of Paladin's, IMPROVISED RADIO DETONATION TECHNIQUES by Lawrence Myers you have the master blueprints for this device. Myers uses it to detonate homemade bombs but you'll at once see how to hook it to a machine gun. He has another version in his book SMART BOMBS, also a former Paladin title. Brilliant material. To bad its on Reno's classified book list. If you can find ANY copies of these books buy them at once. Walk to the store, don't drive, pay cash, wear a disguise even if only a baseball hat and sunglasses, and never visit the store again--I'm dead serious. Some spy stores still have copies. If you order by mail use a ficticious mail drop and pay with a postal money order. I could go on but most of you know the game. killer elite
Ironwarlock A New Voice	posted April 05, 2000 03:48 PM first off I believe stealth is the way to do anything that you want to do.....personally id recommend that you use a blowgun armed with a poisoned tipped dart or perhaps aim for a head shot with a pill capsule filled with mercury fulminate and some RDX for a nice quick explosion.....believe me when i say that blowguns are a good and deadly weapon because they are very concealable and can be quite accurate and SILENT... there are blowguns that are only about 1'long....quick....but not the greatest in accuracy there also many blowguns that can be broken down into 1' sections and come with a case.... I believe that the 3' blowguns work the best because they can be very quickly fired loaded and dismantled (the sectional kind) plus in the world of blowguns you can get many different typs of ammo and dart repeaters for those frequently (unless you can aim very well) missed shots. all these blowguns i have mentioned are usually made for a little distance between you and your victims there is however a way to make a blowgun using a pen...some ends of shoelaces....and pins....this type of blowgun should come in handy if your in a relatively close space and can be discarded immediately because who the hell would believe a pen would kill someone?....mainly blowguns are used in thick coverings like foliage because if someone sees you with a huge shaft in your mouth and then they see you blow something out of it and then go for the nearest surroundings....well guess whats going to happen....now many blowguns can be bought online or at a martial arts studio because you do not need a license or any special thingy to purchase one.....oh yes i almost forgot but most blowguns come equipped with "stun darts" actually these are plugs that dont penetrate but leave a nice bruise or welt....aim for the temple This information is merely opinion and has never been carried out in anyway or form. ------------------
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted April 05, 2000 03:56 PM One of my friends enjoyed himself greatly with one of those bic pen blowguns. Shooting people in class and laughing his ass off as the pin would dangle off the skin of unsuspecting people.
Ironwarlock A New Voice	posted April 05, 2000 06:51 PM heres another good way to do anything...try a wristrocket...nice slingshot some are made with wood so their a breeze to get past md's now for ammo try anything that youll think will fly fast and far keeping in mind the slingshot can fire a shooter marble 500 feet and completely destroy windows but that brings up another question....how do you get rid of the marble? go root around trying to find it? no....try baking marbles in your oven then drop them in ice water or just boil the things.....that works great because the marble fractures and will shatter upon impact after the energy transfer.... ------------------ load....fire....run...repeat [This message has been edited by Ironwarlock (edited April 05, 2000).]
Ho ju Moderator	posted April 09, 2000 01:16 PM those things tend to me metal man. you would not even be able to get into a place with one of those. how would you guys go about hiding things on your body? like say so if you get frisked, your shit would not be found? ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!!
nbk2000 Moderator	posted April 10, 2000 06:29 AM If something is small enough (or dissassembles) than keistering it up the ass is the only sure way to avoid detection by frisking or millimetric body scanners. This leaves out the glocks, but you can still get in explosives or chemical weapons. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them."
DaRkDwArF Frequent Poster	posted April 10, 2000 07:59 AM I'd disguise myself as a geeky high school nerd (and no I'm not a geeky Hi school nerd =-), but the pens in my breast pocket would be my arsenal (zip pens, Rocket pens, chemical weapons, hyperbolic needles, etc...) depending on the venue I think they wouldn't bother to check your pens. What else could you disguise yourself as???
Maddoc Frequent Poster	posted April 10, 2000 10:08 AM The best way to assassinate someone would be with a "fang", this is a hypodermic syringe witch is modified and injects poison into the victim. I'll put up a description later but the entire process from making the fang to the poison is described on the "Poor Mans James Bond Strikes Again Video" which is available direct from the author Kurt Saxon. Go to www.kurtsaxon.com and phone him using the number on the page. ------------------ Whoa, where my fingers?
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted April 10, 2000 03:47 PM Since I was young I always thought of modifying a glock until it was 100% non metal. Bullets would remain as a problem though. Would certain ceramics be strong enough to replace the barrel?
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted April 10, 2000 04:50 PM I think there is such a gun, either a glock 7, or a glock 9, I cant remember the number, but I heard it was made of ceramics. and i guess that kinds of blocks the xrays from getting to the bullets, maybe. I dont know if this is full of shit or not, I saw it on Die Hard 2(Die Harder) with Bruce Willis. I am pretty sure he said it was a glock 9. ------------------ C:\>deltree C:\ are you sure? y/n: y BEEP!

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