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poison Frequent Poster	posted January 02, 2000 07:27 PM . Teflon-type lubricants which create a slippery surface because of their chemical properties. These chemical agents reduce friction with the intent to inhibit the free movement of the target. In the 1960s the term"Instant Banana Peel" was coined to describe the capability provided by Riotril. When applied to a hard surface and wetted down, this dry, relatively-inexpensive, non-toxic, non-corrosive white powder becomes ice slick. It becomes virtually impossible for an individual to move or stand up on a hard surface so treated. Tire-type vehicles are also unable to get traction. Riotril, if allowed to dry, can easily be peeled away or, because of its water-soluble nature, can also be hosed away with high-pressure streams [2:302-303,16,91, 356,565]. Also known as low-friction polymers, slick'ems,' and superlubricants. Does any one know where to obtain/make this stuff? Thanks in advance. -Poison
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 02, 2000 07:38 PM "Riotrol" is a 2% solution of polyvinyl alcohol in water crosslinked with borax. When the water evaporates, it leaves the PVA behind. The borax turns the PVA/water mix into a slime. The green slime stuff that kids play with is a stronger concentration of PVA, but basically the same. You can buy (in USA) a gallon of PVA for $40. Enough for a 55 gallon drum full of liquid banana peel. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
poison Frequent Poster	posted January 02, 2000 08:41 PM How much borax to how much water? Then just add 2% pva let it dry out then just add water to it?
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 02, 2000 09:32 PM If I remember correctly, the PVA was dissolved first in the water then a borax solution was poured in slowly with mixing. The borax couldn't amount to more than a single percent. Of course, you could probably just add borax solution in small amounts, pull out a sample and test it for sliminess. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
poison Frequent Poster	posted January 02, 2000 11:30 PM Thanks nbk, I just tested it my cousin is staying with me for the week becuase were going to a metallica concert on wednesday becuase he lives out of state. I smeared some on my ceramic tile floor he walked past to go to the fridge and fell flat on his face he didn't even see it! Just thought id share my fun. Some what on the topic of non lethal do you know how to make any foams like sticky and non sticky? Thanks in advance. -Poison
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 12:35 PM isnt PVA, poly vinyl acetate aka elmers glue? and poison what ratios did you use? one more thing, where do you get boax?. ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
poison Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 02:53 PM I made a rather small batch using elmers white glue. I used 10 teaspoons water then added 2 teaspoons elmers glue and stired untill it was mixed in with the water. Then i added 1 teaspoons of borax and stired untill a slime like formed. You can find borax at any store I got mine at jewel/osco. In the isle where the laundry soap is. The box is light green it weights 4 pounds and it says on the box "20 mule team" "BORAX" "Laundry booster" "Helps brighten whites and preserve colors" "Deodorizes & Helps remove stains" "" Puts a kick in your laundry detergent"" -Poison
Dr-D Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 03:33 PM Sounds like fun I made the stuff with white glue before as a slime to play with. It resembles Matel's "gak" more than the classic slime. I'm guessing thats because it is acetate not alcohol that made the difference. Recently I though of ways to slick up a hard floor. I pondered using Silicone spray, or lithium greases, or just plain WD40. Even that "wax" that is used on those miniture shuffle boards you find in bars which is realy just super small almost perfectly round plastic balls. The borax mixture is interesting because it would be harder to detect than most of the above things listed. What do you all think would be the most effective? On a side note of things slippery.. one time me and some friends pondered about glazing over all the streets around the school with ice... Our idea would require some effort, but we wern't sure how well it would of worked. Any other things that could be made slippery to cause trouble?
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 03, 2000 04:43 PM PVA is an abbreviation for BOTH polyvinyl alcohol and polyvinyl acetate. Does cause confusion. From what I've read, elmers white glue is polyvinyl alchol, not acetate. If you want to make enough to hose a street, you'll obviously need more than a glue bottle can economically cost. You would want to make it as watery as possible while still retaining slimieness. Remember, as the water evaporates, it will become slimeier till it's lost so much water it becomes tacky (like glue) then finally dries. I'm thinking a large supersoaker to hose down a stairway or ramp just before a concert or movie lets out. Watch them tumble down en masse. Or water ballons. Another thing that's been used as an anti-traction device is polyethylene flakes. You get enough of them in an area and the flakes slip and slid over each other. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 04, 2000 07:41 AM Well, it seems that elmers glue may be made from partially hydrolyzed polyvinylacetate after all. I found this on a university website. So maybe it is. It should be possible to reform the alcohol from the acetate somehow. But buying the alcohol straight is the best idea. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Dr-D Frequent Poster	posted January 04, 2000 04:26 PM I don't know if it is required to use the alcohol instead of the acetate. Poison stated above that he used the glue(acetate) and it worked like a charm. Of course buying pvalcohol in bulk is cheaper than glue, but for small tasks it is good for improvising. I think that the PValcohol would be more slippery than the acetate one though because of this: If the glue does contain acetate, then I have noticed when reacted with borax it creates a "thicker" more putty like slime, hence the resemblance to "Gak" rather than the classic runny slime. So in theory the acetate makes a more thicker "goo" and thus may dry up faster or not be as slick due to be more viscusis(spelling?).

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