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nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 18, 1999 05:01 AM Here's a post I made on "The Hive" and I thought it might be nice to add it here. It's for making sodium cyanide, a very useful poison. Good for packing the tips of hollowpoints, or coating blowgun darts. ================================= Sodium Ferrocyanide (Na4Fe(CN)6-10H2O, FW 484.07, mp 82C, CAS# 13601-19-9, AKA Yellow Prussiate of Soda) can be ordered quite cheaply from http://www.sciencealliance.com . Prices and catalog #s are: C7435-100 100g $4.12, C7435-500 500g $8.96. And there's no hazardous shipping fees for it either. Cyanide costs about $47 a pound plus $15 hazardous. To convert the ferro to cyanide do this (please note that these instructions were for the postassium not sodium salt. I'm assuming that the ratios are similar for both); Mix thoroughly 8 parts of dry sodium ferrocyanide and 3 parts dry sodium carbonate (pool pH adjuster), heat them in a steel container (cleaned oil filter can works nicely), with constant stirring (use clothes hanger, straightened out), with a propane torch or other intense heat source till it melts into a clear liquid. Heating is continued until the mix no longer fizzes and the fluid portion is colorless. After a few minutes rest, to allow the contents to settle, the clear portion is poured from the heavy black sediment (iron) at the bottom at the bottom of the crucible and onto to a clean slab or steel bowl. It's then broken up while still warm and stored in airtight bottles. This will be almost pure cyanide. ================================ You can also make the ferro yourself, but why bother when you can buy it so cheap? ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Fjp92 Frequent Poster	posted January 01, 2000 08:43 AM Can you please tell me how to make the sodium ferrocyanide. Will the cyanide on a blow dard be able to kill a person
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 01, 2000 12:31 PM how do you make the cyanide into a gas? pour HCl over it? ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 02, 2000 03:07 PM Ferrocyanide is obtained by exposing 10 parts (by weight) potassium (or sodium) carbonate; 10 parts coke. cinders, or coal; and 3 parts iron turnings, all in coarse powder. to a full red heat in an open crucible, stirring occasionally until small jets of purple flame arc no longer seen. When cool, the soluble matter is dissolved out of it, the solution filtered, evaoprated, and crystallized. Tho crystals obtained are redissolved in hot water and cooled very slowly, forming large yellow crystals of the ferrocyanide. In order to obtain a pure form, fuse dried forrocyanide in a glass vessel, dissolve the fused mass in water, neutralize any excess of alkali with acetic acid (vinegar), and precipitate the salt with strong alcohol; wash the precipitate with a little weak alcohol, redissolve it in water, and crystallize. ============================================ It would obviously be easier to buy it premade from a chemical supplier if you can. Cyanide would be lethal on a dart if you use enough. Crush it into a fine powder and mix it into a thick paste with mucilage (glue). Get a big glob on a dart and let dry. I'll post the HCN process later. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 02, 2000 06:19 PM cool thanks alot. "coke"? cocain? coca cola? where do you get all your information NBK? ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 02, 2000 07:04 PM Coke = cocaine? Not likely. HAHA! Coke in this context is coal that's been roasted in an oven to burn off the volatile contents, leaving almost pure carbon behind. But regular charcoal will work fine. But grocery store brands have all kinds of binders, clays, etc. Roasting your own charcoal from wood scraps would be best. Don't ask me how. I know, but the answer has already been posted so I'm not going to repeat it. I find my info the old fashioned way, at the library. In books. On paper. All the really neat stuff is in old (think pre-1950) books, back when people weren't scared of "bad" knowledge. Some things are on the net, but not the really good stuff like I find at the library. And not a regular municipal library either, a university and state library. Of course, if I was in Washington D.C. I'd be in the Library of Congress, the MOTHER LOAD! ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000 [This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited January 02, 2000).]
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 02, 2000 08:56 PM library of congress>? motherload? are you being a smart ass? B'cuz I live in Va about 30 min away from DC. is this like a museum that ppl visit? or is it just a big library? and can you just check out some books, and kind of, never appear again.... hehe ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 02, 2000 09:19 PM The LOC is the only the largest library in the world. More than 10 million books. And don't even think about "borrowing" books from there. They're all tagged and it's a FEDERAL offense to steal from that library since it supplies the congress. And stealing books from a library is really rather tacky. Now if a person brought a laptop with a flat bed scanner, that would definitely be a good thing. Imagine having access to any book every made in the last 100 years. How does that sound? ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 02, 2000 09:55 PM can you borrow them, I mean just taking them home, scanning and returning? ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 03, 2000 02:39 AM No. Only congress can borrow books out of the library (hench congressional library). Everyone else has to go to in the library and do their work there. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 05:04 AM What old books can be useful?
Fjp92 Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 12:57 PM Sodium ferrocyanide contains nitrogen. Wich one one the ingredeints in the prosess that you describe contains nitrogen?The carbonate doesn't. Is there nitrogen in the coal in some form or is it taken from the air during the reaction?
Dr-D Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 03:23 PM I just want to say that if any of you plan on making stuff like cyanide please be careful. Only one thing scares me more than explosives and that is poisons as lethal as these. Mainly it scares me is because you die so fast that there is no hope. Of course if you blow yourself up that can be just as bad, but at least you can see where the explosive is at... some toxic gases you don't know until it's too late.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 03, 2000 04:46 PM From the air. The one good thing about being killed by poison instead of explosives, you can have an open casket funeral. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 05:19 PM People who are killed by cyanide and CO look especially nicer after death

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