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nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 07, 1999 05:55 AM I know this seems kind of a strange subject but I've heard on TV of people doing something (illegal) and getting locked in or out of somewhere and getting trapped. Obviously not a good thing. I've seen shitloads of things in stores and locksmith shops for keeping doors closed but not one thing to keep them open. An example of why this would be a good idea is your going to torch a place and want to make sure you don't get locked in and burned up. Or, your going to go postal somewhere and want to make sure that the likely places your intended victims will run to won't be able to be locked to keep you out. That's what saves most people at a school massacre, they lock the doors shut and the killers can't get to them. The simpilest expedient is a 1 foot length of 3/8" chain passed through the door and frame, wrapped around the hinge. When it's locked, it's impossible to close the door. The hinge pins can be removes or the screws removed but that takes time. A bolt cutter could remove it quickly, but how many places have those handy? I've come up with a real simple design that covers the screws and hinge pin so it can't be removed that way. And I'll try to modify it so a bolt cutter can't reach the chain either. That should make it almost impossible to remove without destroying the door too. And too late to do anyone any good. When I next visit my friend with the welder I'll weld one up and post the picture here and full details on my site. Anyone else have any ideas on keeping a door open? ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
*Igenx* Frequent Poster	posted November 07, 1999 02:29 PM Although it wouldn't work quite as well, on a standard door all that needs to be done is a wood block needs to be epoxyed into the frame so the door willnot latch. This could be useful for continual acccess into a lab if an unused sidedoor is available.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 07, 1999 04:57 PM I'm assuming that you mean the block goes inside the hole in the frame to keep the bolt from engaging. That would kkep the door from being locked, but if the door can be closed they can barricad it shut with desks, tables, etc. I'm talking about ways to keep a door open enough that you can move freely in and out without restrictions. Perhaps a superglue injected into the hinges while they're open would be able to keep the door open against someone trying to force it shut. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted November 07, 1999 05:25 PM that would not work. superglue is good in tensile strength, but if it has to be bent it is shit. just rip the door off its hinges. if you dont want to do that then use a "ramp" at the bottom of the door, like a door stop. epoxy that mother fucker to the door and the floor, it wont be able to be open as soon as the epoxy dries ------------------ -dlwdaw "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 07, 1999 07:19 PM So superglue is a no go. "Just rip the door of the hinges."? What are you, Superman? If you got an AFV bobcat then sure, but not barehanded. Unscrewing would take too long. And epoxying a door wedge would work, but what if the situation changes (cops show up) and you want to close the doors? Your stuck with no way to close them now. Whatever you use has to be resistant to removal but still be removable when you want it to be. And it should only take a few seconds to put on and off. Speed is always important. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted November 07, 1999 08:39 PM yes I'am superman. just bring a handheld sledge hammer, or a kro-bar. ------------------ -dlwdaw "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 07, 1999 10:12 PM Weight, bulk, noise, time, physical exertion. Chains and locks don't damage the door and allow it to be locked, as you use them there is less weight to carry, you can stuff them in your pockets, they're quite, take less than 10 second to use, and require no strenuos effort. By the way, glad to meet you Superman, I'm He-Man. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted November 07, 1999 11:21 PM i am bat-man! ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! -The eagle may soar but the weasle does not get sucked into jet engines. -The beatings will continue until morale improves.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted November 08, 1999 02:00 AM How about some kind of lockable clamp device that is attached on the end of the door (same side as the door handle, opposite of the hinges). The problem here is the construction for such a lock.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 08, 1999 04:28 AM I've seen door knob covers that cover the knob so a person with the key can't use it, and I thought about something like that but the problem is all the variations in locks and knobs that you could encounter. The hinge gap is the easiest way I think because it's a simple matter of the width of the gap and the length of the hinge. The device I thought up is a length of angle iron (1.5" x 1.5") 6" long with a 1 foot length of 3/8" chain welded to one end. The angle goes on the inside of the hinge to cover the screws. The free end of the chain goes over and around the hinge to lock. I'm figuring a split length of pipe can be welded to the chain that would be exposed to protect it from cutters. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Dr.Zayus Frequent Poster	posted November 18, 1999 05:11 AM So much for me worrying about excessive postings. Anyways, justice league, if you really wanted to remove a door from its hinges, how bout placing a little thermite on the hinges? It wouldn't work on a wooden door, it would catch fire. You would probably want to use it on the bottom hinge first, unless you really wanted to practice with your offhand. Or you could bring a diamand tipped buzzsaw. Or how bout just burning the damn thing down, then smashing it? or if you just wanted to make it stay open, you could cut throught the dead bolt. Maybe just cut out the lock from the door.
Dr.Zayus Frequent Poster	posted November 18, 1999 05:18 AM How bout something a lot simpler? Before you engage in your crimanal endever, get some key blanks, or steal the key and make a copy, then replace it. Or steal it and dont copy or replace. Depends on what your trying to do. Then you just use the lock against them. And since we are supposed to be an explosive forum, why not just barricade the door, put a large remote detonated explosive on it, and when you want to leave, blow your way out. ------------------ KABONG! Doh! Dr.Zayus
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 18, 1999 05:42 AM To repeat my earlier response to similiar replies: Weight, bulk, noise, time, physical exertion. Chains and locks don't damage the door and allow it to be locked, as you use them there is less weight to carry, you can stuff them in your pockets, they're quite, take less than 10 second to use, and require no strenuous effort. Read the earlier posts next time. The whole point was to keep the door open when you wanted it to be, and at the same time, retain the ability to close it again. And without leaving signs of tampering if your being covert. Blown up doors and melted hinges are not covert. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 16, 1999 02:06 AM Well, I finally built it. It worked just as I thought it would too. It cost about $2, not counting a lock. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
*Igenx* Frequent Poster	posted December 16, 1999 06:26 PM A small oxyacetyline torch could be used to weld the hinges while the door is open. It would be less noticible once finished, leaving only weld marks on the hinge, than the angle iron contraption.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 16, 1999 08:43 PM Welding the hinge would be less visible from a distance (after your doen, what about the light?), but again, time, weight, noise, smoke (may set off alarm), and irreversible. My friend has a porta-torch rig. About 20 pounds (ouch) and in the time it takes to set up the keep-open (that's what I call these things) and be gone, your still unwinding the hoses and adjusting the valves for the torch. For the same weight, I can carry about 20-30 keep-opens and every one I use, lightens my load. A torch is a constant load. Plus I can't use the torch after it's empty (I know it can be refilled, I'm talking about during a crime). I can reuse a keep-open forever (or till damaged). If your doing, say, a burglary, you pick the door open and weld the hinge. Your carrying 20 extra pounds and a $300+ tool that you can't leave behind. Plus, you can't lock the door once your done and how long would it take someone to notice an open door? Your leaving evidence behind that there was a burglary. Whereas, with a keep-open, you carry a $5 device that you can afford to lose, that can be concealed in your pocket, and after your done, leaves no trace and allows you to lock the door behind you. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted December 16, 1999 08:56 PM Igenx, the criteria was among the earlier posts. One of them being that you should be able to quickly place and remove the device which would disable the ability to cose and lock a door. ------------------ ~VeHeMT VeHeMT's Armoury
glock Frequent Poster	posted December 29, 1999 06:19 PM nbk2000, first off i'd like to say that i greatly enjoy your website... second, can you please post a photo of your angle iron "keep-open" contraption locked on a door? thank you, -glock
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 30, 1999 12:53 AM I'll post a picture as soon as I get some film. Just waiting for Y2K to pass to see how things go first. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
glock Frequent Poster	posted January 03, 2000 09:32 PM any time now...
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 03, 2000 10:00 PM I'll get to it when I get to it, dude. It's not a priority right now. The apartment complex I'm living in has been condeemed and everyone has to be out by the 16th so they can tear it down. We're looking for a place to move to right now. Maybe this month, maybe next. Besides, I would think a picture and a description would be enough to figure out yourself. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted January 04, 2000 01:51 PM yeah glock. come on, NBK posts more information than anyone here.. he posted a picture, give him some fuckin respect, if you dont he might just say fuckit and not post anymore, and that would suck. this really isnt a flame glock, but he provides real pictures of what he does, like the vitc powder, and the pipesafe, and this.. and you gotta be pretty fucking stupid if you cant fgure it out from the picture. just wrap it around the door and lock it... ------------------ ~dlwdaw "Tick, tick, tick, tick ...Haa! That fucking shotgun is straight out of Doom" -Eric harris columbine shooting
glock Frequent Poster	posted January 04, 2000 02:54 PM sorry, i dident know youd be so touchy... ;]

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