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Fjp92 Frequent Poster	posted January 04, 2000 03:03 PM I was looking through my organic chemistry text a gain and saw something that i have a few questions about.I would be gratefull if you can help me. Acording to the text one can get an acidhalide by treating an alcohol with HX And if one theat the acid halide with amonia and then with NaOH You get the amine. OK So if i want to make methylamine can i simply take methanol and add the calculated amount of HCL and then bubble an exess amonia through it and then add caustic soda to get methylamine?? Any whay what is with the NaOH in the reaction. I asume that the (Na+) get the (CL-) and the (OH-) and one (H+) of the amonia gives H2O , But why dont the (NH4OH) that forms in the solution do the same as the NaOH ?? Is methylamine liqued??
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 09, 2000 05:45 AM Well since this topic is idling I might answer this for you, just need you to clarify things. What is HX? What is an acidhalide? Like HCl , HF, HI? Maye you are saying alcohol halide. I'll skip the question in the middle since it need clarifying. NH4OH has OH- group in it but they are weak alkali. It can't work like NaOH. methylamine is a combustable gas, highly toxic
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 09, 2000 07:07 AM The "X" is used in organic chemistry just like in algebra to represent a variable, in this case a halogen. Cl, F, and I are all halogens.
Fjp92 Frequent Poster	posted January 09, 2000 12:40 PM Oops. I mean alkyl halide. Sorry about that. I want chloro-methyl (alkyl halide) ( CH3CL) Then I want to make methylamine as described above . Acording to Mega’s method of making MMAN Methyl amine can be in solution. Will it disolve in the water if I add some to the reactants so that I don’t have to collect it in something. The reaction is R-OH + HX = R-X + H2O (For the alkyl halide) _____________________________________________ NH3 + R-X = RNH3(+)X(-) = + (NaOH) = RNH2 (primary amine) By the way what whare is Mega??
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 10, 2000 06:40 AM Sometimes a written process has a distance between it and reality. I see you are to make an ester of methyl alcohol and HCl, they don't occur like ionic reactions(ain't no like snaping fingers), you need 100% of both, H2SO4 as catalyst, and a heat source. Product is a gas to be collected, and filter out impure vapors like H2SO4 and water. CH3Cl, from another point of view, is chloromethane, it is used as a coolant so you need to find a coolant that is chloromethane, I don't recommend you trying to mix chlorine and methane to heat it, it could explode into carbon and HCl when the mixture is at elevated temperature. CH3Cl is a gas which boils at -23.7C, not a water mixable liquid neither. Treating organics with caustic soda is another problem, I don't know in particular this process, but in general, things are to be treated by liquified NaOH to get the stage done(treat volatile gas with boiling NaOH, not easy job), but seeing RNH3+X- as an unstable complex, you might be able to do it under plain conditions, (is CH3NH3+Cl- a liquid or water soluable stuff? again to consider). If you successfully made methylamine, how are you going to nitrate a highly toxic gas? Nitroamines are powerful...there are many other nitroamines to play with, RDX is one of them...
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 10, 2000 07:04 AM I surfed a little and found this place: http://www.tiac.net/users/wallens/acerb/texts/unsorted/kibc.txt It tells you a bunch of explosive info, among them MMAN, methylamine can be dissolved into water and coupled with nitric acid of any concentration, even 20% nitric acid. It didn't tell how to make methylamine though.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 10, 2000 05:54 PM The link to the kibc.txt file is a plain text version of the Kitchen Improvised Blasting Cap bookz on my site. Go to the explosives section. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
nbk2000 Moderator	posted January 10, 2000 06:31 PM Here's a process for making Hexamine (used to make HMTD). The process is similar to making methylamine, just a different chemical is used (don't know which). ============================================= Hexamine is made with common ammonia water (30%) and the commonly available 36% formaldehyde solution. To make this component place 185 grams of clear ammonia water in a shallow pyrex dish. To this add 500 ml. of the formaldehyde solution to the ammonia water. Allow this to evaporate and when the crystals are all that remains in the pan place the pan in the oven on the lowest heat that the oven has. This should be done only for a moment or so to drive off any remaining water. These crystals are scraped up and placed in a airtight jar to store them until they are used. ============================================= ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Fjp92 Frequent Poster	posted January 10, 2000 11:54 PM What kind of places sell formaldehyde?? You say its comonly available.
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted January 11, 2000 01:16 AM i had the same question... looking around on the web didn't yield much. guess you could always ask your local mortician. ~m3nth~ Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 11, 2000 03:21 AM Those who make stuff animals will definitely have formaldehyde, it is used as a preservative to prevent cracases from decomposing.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 11, 2000 03:30 AM There is an example of organic amine being made into nitroamine EDNA, use it as a reference. CH2NH2 \| CH2NH2 +treat with CO2 CH2NH\ \|.....C=O CH2NH/ +nitration NO2 \| CH2N\ \|....C=O CH2N/ \| NO2 +Treat with H2O CH2NHNO2 \| CH2NHNO2 (EDNA) The ...thing is just to keep things in place, ignore it. [This message has been edited by HMTD Factory (edited January 11, 2000).] [This message has been edited by HMTD Factory (edited January 11, 2000).]
Dr-D Frequent Poster	posted January 11, 2000 03:05 PM It was mentioned in another post one time that formaldahyde can be purchased as RV septic tank treatment. Mortitions don't give out formaldahyde except to those drug dealers that sell it so people can dip their joints in it and feel no remorse when they go on killing spree's
m3nth Frequent Poster	posted January 11, 2000 06:21 PM aaaahh..... so i need to get in with a drug dealer who is in with a mortician... got it :-) by the way how do you get those smiley faces inserted into a msg? i saw it once and can't find my way back to the page that says how... it is not under ubb codes... ~m3nth~ Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted January 12, 2000 04:41 AM a : and a ) is a : and a ( is
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted January 12, 2000 08:36 PM There are more too, just look in the faq (link at the top right of the page among search, register etc...).

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