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nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 15, 1999 11:13 AM Here's an interesting patent I ran across for a 1 man AFV made from a commercial Bobcat skip loader. Here's the original patent drawing: http://www.patents.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/US04192216__ . And here's my photoshop interpretation of what it might look like: I'm not expecting anyone here to buy a bobcat, but they are readily stealable from plenty of construction sites. Throw on some 1/2 scrap steel plate, cut slots for windows, and bolt on some 2" polycarbonate. Voila! Cheap tank. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 15, 1999 03:21 PM yeah but if you know anything about bobcats you would know they have a really high center of gravity and they can be tipped over very easily. if you go top speed in one of thoughs and ty to turn you will find yourself flat on you ass. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
DaRkDwArF Frequent Poster	posted October 15, 1999 10:38 PM Ha, I own a Bobcat, and if I put all my spare parts together I'd probabably own two, but Ho-Ju does have a point, they do tip, try going up a steep hill, like stair or something, I've had my bobcat fall backwards on me before, even loading it onto the bac of the truck, it sucks, altough it would take a good 10-15 ppl to push the thing on it's side, just put a flamer on it and they won't be gettin anywhere near it!!!! >;-)
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 16, 1999 05:55 AM When I saw this patent, I was thinking how the LA bank robbers would have really been able to fuck with the cops if they had a couple of these parked inside a big U-Haul truck parked nearby. After all, the cops only had light arms like AR-15s. Nothing that could stop an armored bobcat. Shit, the robbers could have chased the cops around shooting them with impunity for a good couple of hours at least before they ran out of gas or got torched. Could you imagine how cool that would have been? And they maybe ass heavy, but you could balance them out by removing the bucket from the front and replacing it with a large metal pipe filled with concrete. This would be used as a battering ram to smash doors and walls down. Also useful for pushing cars around. These wouldn't be like tanks in being an all terrain vehicle, but it's perfect for urban areas since cities have nice, flat streets. Hell, thanks to the ADA, all government and most public buildings have convenient ramps. Just drive right up into the building and wreak havoc. Malls, schools, arenas, etc. would be perfect prey. As a matter of fact, this idea's going into my "Heavy Weapons" section on my site. I wonder, if someone did this with a bobcat and slaughtered a bunch of people, would the government ban them or require registering "assault bobcats"? What about bobcat buybacks and 15 day bobcat purchase waiting periods? Substitute "gun" for "bobcat" and you'll see my point. And I have a question. How fast can a bobcat go on a street? 20 mph? Faster? I've only seen them at construction sites but it seems they would be pretty quick. Much faster than a person could run (away from! (insert evil laugh here)). ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 16, 1999 10:02 PM another downfall of a bobcat used in a crime is the tires. shoot them and you are fucked. you have got to plate these. it is a MUST!! to make it more stable ad wheels on the sides extended from the body. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted October 16, 1999 10:44 PM You could attach more 1/2" steel plates around the bottem (or just the sides concerning the wheels) of the bob cat to act like an armour "skirt". I dont know much about bob cats, but 1/2" steel plate is heavy and could possibly slow it down more than you'd want. Then again, the added weight would be closer to the ground, thus stabilising it a little.
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 17, 1999 12:03 PM You don't want to add a full skirt of steel. That would add, assuming 2 2' x 5' skirts at 1/2" thickness, 400 lbs. That's a lot of weapons and ammo that you can't carry anymore. And the more weight you add, the slower you can go. I included the patent URL for a reason. Read it and you'll see that the tire problem was already addressed. The patent specifies foam filled airless tires.You could also attach round steel plates with a 1/2" clearance to the tires. This would protect against bullets from the side, but a head on shoot would still hit the tires unless you also attach a plate to the front of the bobcat to shield the tires from the front. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted October 17, 1999 12:25 PM I too thought of using a circular sheet attached to the side of the wheel, but that wouldnt provide too much protection. And in my post I did address concerns of the added weight and lessened speed.
Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster	posted October 24, 1999 01:18 AM Even if the bullets didn't penetrate, the noise would be enough to drive you insane. Have you ever taken cover behind a metal drum while playing paint ball? all you hear is ping ping ping ping. and with real bullets, it would be damn loud. you woudlnt even be able to concentrate about your mission with that kind of noise. ------------------ Want to learn how to make homemade explosives, weapons, and poisons? Come to my website! http://www.seduced.to/fuckyourmother
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 24, 1999 05:20 AM You forgot to mention the noise your own weapon fire would create. This is where ear protectors come into play. And of course you could cover the inside with sound absorbant materials. In addition, military AFV have fume extractors and shell catchers for the infantrys guns. If the bobcat had a pressurised cab, the fumes would be pushed out the fume extractor and would also negate police tear gas weapons. But that could be overkill. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 24, 1999 09:07 PM F.F. the drums you play behind are most likely hollow. (SP?) but the metal you out ont he side of the bobcat is solid so it would not have the dong dong dong dong effect that hitting a hollow drum would. granted the bullets hitting the side of the sheet metal would be loud, it would not be quite as loud as a paintball hitting a hollow metal drum. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
Feticidal Fantasy Frequent Poster	posted October 25, 1999 12:40 AM Ho Ju, yea they were hollow and the bob cat tank is hollow also. ------------------ Want to learn how to make homemade explosives, weapons, and poisons? Come to my website! http://www.seduced.to/fuckyourmother
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 25, 1999 01:46 AM How much noise it would make is related to how much it can vibrate. A 1/2" plate is much stiffer than the sheet metal of a drum. Besides which, the sound of bullets hitting the armor would be drowned out by the sound of the motor and your own weapons fire. Just wear a headset playing Rage Against the Machine at full volume. Or earplugs. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
megalomania Administrator	posted October 25, 1999 03:05 PM They sell acoustical vibration pads for automobiles designed to reduce the effects of �bad� noise in the cabin of a car. This material could easily be installed to diminish the noise on the inside. A pair of ear plugs (the ear muff kind) would go a long way, though. Furthermore, a simple respirator or gas mask would be a good idea; I can see how launching tear gas at such a contraption would make good tactical sense for the SWATs. What if your enemy decides to light you on fire? I doubt the police will have much more that small arms and tear gas, but even they can lob a few Molotov cocktails ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 25, 1999 03:40 PM yeah one of my biggest fears is being bured alive. (go fig) i would hate to have my bobcat light on fire and have no way to escape. the emotional tramua would kill me before the smoke and fire did. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 26, 1999 08:30 PM Fire is a hazard but a managable one. Copper screens over inlets prevents flame spread. Welding the plates in such a way that gas can't form puddles, rather runs off down the sides. Remove flamable grease and residue as much as possible from the underside. Cover the underside with a plywood sheet painted with water glass. Perhaps an automotive fire extingheser connected to the engine compartment. Cover the exterior of the AFV with fire foaming paint (available by special order). A gas mask with a scuba tank adaption would protect against gas and smoke. Just a few ideas. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 26, 1999 10:30 PM i have been thinking about using the bobcat and i have concluded that there are many other, BETTER, vehicals out there to use...say, a crappy bronco. That has a larger wheel base, can move faster and you can load it with more stuff cause it is bigger. Just add the same modifications on to the bronco that you would to the bobcat and bam! you have a pretty good tank. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 30, 1999 04:04 AM A bronco may carry more and be faster, but also remember that it is much larger (bigger target) and therefor would require that much more steel to armor as well as a bobcat. That equals TONS of steel. All the extra weight would in turn slow down the bronco and offset any extra cargo capacity you may have gained. Also, a bronco will not fit through doorways, narrow alleys, and the concrete barriers that protect government buildings. it could go almost anywhere a person could go. This is key to survival because only in a highly urban enviroment would you be able to outrun foot police while still being able to evade police vehicles that could ram and overturn you. Also, if your in a crowded or valuable building, the cops aren't going to firebomb you for fear of setting the building on fire and killing innocent civilians. You, on the other hand, suffer from no such restrictions. You could either have a flamethrower or plenty of incendiaries handy to torch buildings as diversions or just plain spite. I just had this thought. Since almost every big story has news 'copters watching, you should have a small battery powered TV inside you AFV. This way you can use the news 'copters as your own aerial surveillence to warn you where the cops are around you. What would be even more hilarious would be if you R/C'd the AFV and instead of a driver, the was a 200 pound bomb. After the inital carnage gets the cops and medias attention, use the news 'copters to give you visual steering as you use a cellphone connection to r/c the AFV on a rampage. Once it runs out of fuel or gets cornered, blow the bomb and take out everything around it. An AFV also allows you to take a lot more weapons with you than you could ever carry. This allows you much more firepower. Imagine having a flamethrower, grenade launcher, machine gun, smoke projecter, poison gas dispenser, mines, battering ram, and whatever else you could make, buy, or steal, all available at the push of a button. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 30, 1999 02:45 PM yes but the possibility of the stupid thing tipping over still pisses me off. Granted it is small and semi fast it can only travel in a strait going 20 mph. That sucks. cops are smart enough to know how a bobcat operates and could take one of thoughs things out (without using actual people, just set up a blockade of cars)you would need somehting faster and more manuverable. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
megalomania Administrator	posted October 30, 1999 11:16 PM Actually the remote control idea is a really good one. Anybody who is a hand at remote control "stuff" loves to tinker with those servo gadgets. All you would need is the small remote servos and gimbles controlling larger mechanisms for gas and steering wheel. They even stick video cameras on their airplanes, it would be alot easier for a truck. Oh, and they even have remote starting devices, how convienent. I am suprised someone has not done it already. The anarchists handbook has plans for the IRA truck mortar (remote fired improvised mortars that lob shells from inside a truck so as to be unordinary) they could cause some havic. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
nbk2000 Moderator	posted October 31, 1999 04:43 AM I'm assuming a person would have the good sense to practice alot on their driving skills before trying to take an AFV into combat. Get to know its limitations and capabilities throughly. Then operate within those limits and you'll be tearing the cops a new asshole. Sure, eventually they'll kill you, (or yourself) but you'll have an honor guard of dead cops to lead the way to hell for you. =:>. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 31, 1999 11:42 AM good point. one the subject of remote control cars and shit, i recently saw a batman episode where a crazy man strapped bombs to rc cars and drove them into buildings and then set off the bombs via remote. now that would strike fear into anyone. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 31, 1999 11:43 AM oh and instead of a babcat use a forklift. they have a larger wheel base and the forks themselves have endless possibilities. ------------------ Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!
*Igenx* Frequent Poster	posted October 31, 1999 09:41 PM Just a thought- why not use the cab off of an old semi? Hell of a lot of power, and it is designed to carry a heavy ass load.
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted October 31, 1999 10:22 PM because when hoju said the thing about the bronco, they said that then it couldnt fit through doors, thee is no way a semi cab could fit through a door ------------------ -dlwdaw "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson

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