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NiteLife
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posted December 24, 1999 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NiteLife   Click Here to Email NiteLife     
Hi Guys,

I went through the past posts, and I saw
a lot of info regarding Sodium Chlorate.
I do have some questions, if you guys could
help me out, I would much appreciate it:

1. Exactly how stable is Sodium Chlorate to
shock and friction? Would dropping it or
crushing it risk detonation?

2. I have heard that adding Al powder would
increase its power upon detonation. I
have seen the ratio 3 SC to 1 Al. In
addition, I have also came across 3 SC to 2 Sugar. Are these really that helpful? If so, do these create a more sensitive explosive (as far as friction and shock goes)?

3. Exactly what do the powdered Al and sugar
contribute to the explosive? They
obviously don't liberate Oxygen... I am
assuming that the Al would be more
powerful...

Thanks a bunch in advance.

HMTD Factory
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posted December 24, 1999 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
1.SC itself is not an explosive, so it won't
detonate, not shock/friction sensitive even
mixed with fuels, if the shock gives spark
or the friction is getting hot, then it's another question, it will set off the mixture

2.Using aluminum powder and suger is quite common in increasing explosive performances.
aluminum is even used to make already strong
high explosive more powerful, sugar is good
for pyrotechnics and common explosive mixture

3.We need 2 things to make an explosive: oxygen, and things can burn in oxygen.
Here SC gives oxygen when heated, then Al or
suger burns in oxygen. Al burns with a lot
of heat, and cause hot air to become hotter,
expand more, more destructive. Sugar react
with oxygen at relatively low temperature, so
the need of heat is little, then it starts
playing with oxygen itself. So Al makes it hot and sugar gives it crispy reaction.

Mixture explosives including this are not very shock/friction sensitive, but they all respond to sparks, electricity sparks, and heat.



nbk2000
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posted December 24, 1999 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
Take a pinch of chlorate/sugar and whack it on concrete with a hammer. BANG! Impact sensitive.

Take a pinch of chlorate/sugar, take a piece a fine sandpaper glued to a board, and pull it fast across concrete. POOF! Friction sensitive.

Now it's nowhere near as sensitive as Acetone Peroxide, but you don't want to throw it around like a brick either.

And pure chlorate IS explosive with a detonator, no fuel needed.

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HMTD Factory
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posted December 25, 1999 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
Then obviously I know nothing about NaClO3.


Survivor
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posted December 25, 1999 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Survivor   Click Here to Email Survivor     
No fuel is needed because the Sodium+ part act as a fuel, and the -Chlorate part act as an oxidizer.

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HMTD Factory
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posted December 25, 1999 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
C'mon guys nobody use NaClO3 alone to as an explosive, and obviously NiteLife thought
an explosive is something that gives oxygen
when aroused, give him the right concept concerning explosive knowledge. Posts made NiteLife thought NaClO3 is a dangerous explosive, but NaClO3 alone is an explosive only in bulk quantities, like ANFO, need at least several pounds to be effective, many restrictions apply. Mix it with fuels then it is explosive anytime anywhere. NaClO3 have
"explosive property" ,yet not a real "explosive", at least not a convenient one.


Well NaClO3 gives out heat when decomposed,
and so do KClO3,and Na+ and K+ burn into NaCl
and KCl but they are not listed as explosives, well it burns only once with chlorine atom, not reacting with Os', three Os' wasted, if you said NH4ClO3 is an explosive then I admit that 'cuz NH4+ don't form into NH4Cl instead burning into N2 and H2O and HCl, that's a real explosive, and it's more correct because NH4+ burned with oxygen, that's the concept of common explosives, you oughtta have an oxidizer, mixed with some fuel(within the molecule this case) that react quickly with oxygen.

There are explosives that are not in this oxygen burning category, they are not as usual, sometimes nasty, say, people don't use them as often, only special occations(trigger
explosive) or they are not qualified in
safety (Mg-Al-Zn/organic chlorides, metal acetylides, NCl3, PbN3, NI3... NCl3 explodes under sunlight, ask people about how sensitive NI3 is.)


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