posted December 21, 1999 09:57 PM         

The USA media is now pulling out all stops to harp on terrorism and anything they can link to terrorism is being played up big time to take the US public's mind of the looming Y2k disaster. The propaganda and diversion is to forestall an expected bank run and other problems.

The government is planning secretly and not so secretly for very large scale martial law type activities. They need those to bolster their new world order agenda of fully disarming US citizens before they lay the last few planks (more like 2x4's) aside the heads of gullible US citizens.

The point of this post is we all are chemical mixers. Police who are ignorant technically at best, and abysmally so at worst, tend to make arrests without concern for statutes and probable cause. The USA system works on an extortion system, that forces the innocent person wrongly charged with something that is not a crime, to plead guilty to one of the standard crimes, in order to escape prosecution in a system that is in anarchy and chaos. Most, especially young persons who have no kilobucks for a shyster, must use public defenders who are paid extortionists whose duty is to scare the client enough to force him to plead guilty to some crime, and anything will do. That exonerates the stupid police who ought never have made an illegal arrest, and saves their bacon, and currys debt which the local politicians can use to prevent arrest of their friends, who all to often are drug lords and their gang members.

So the environment is hostile to chemistry hobbists, and times are kinda like they were back in Gallieo's time when one could be burned at the stake for claiming the earth went around the sun when the government said it didn't.

So, I advise that you do your loud noises in remote places, and do be very careful transporting your pyrotechnic inventions, especially in USA, Canada, and maybe some other countries who are prone to copy cat USA media propaganda campaigns.

Above all in USA do not keep mixed potions which are capable of fireworks or explosive uses around where searchers could find them if a nosy neighbor turned you in.

It is considered a crime in the USA to possess any high explosive that you made yourself. No it isn't a statute, but the baby burners (BATF) do not go by statutes, but go by what will get them on the evening news as protectors of the public from terrorists.

The result could be a blem on your reputation that cannot be removed the rest of your life.

It amounts in the USA to canceling your citizenship, and turning you into a subhuman species of citizen, called a felon. There is a growing trend to create as many of those as possible now to feed all the new detention camps they built to work the factories being built alongside them.

So, do not proceed as if you have "rights" for in the USA today no one does. Proceed as a mouse in a dog pound, as another post put it.

When buying chemicals try to get commercial used ones at farm stores. BE aware that all USA chemical supply houses are not monitored by BATF and FBI, and they are under federal rules about putting false entries on their sales bills as to whom they sold stuff to.

A clear warning that they are doing federal tricks with the billing is when they hand you the bill and want you to list on it your company or your name, which brings the transaction under the 1001 statute which says any false statement made on any written instrument that ultimately ends up in the hands of government officials or others spending government funds, is a misdemeanor. That includes lies told investigating agents also, so they always come in pairs to prove you lied at least once. Then they threaten you with a 1 year sentence and big fine if you don't confess to something that will get you later a ten year sentence, etc. Yes they lie that they won't lay that other crime on you, but after you talk they do it. Then they tell the second lie and tell you they will not impose its hugh sentence if you will turn in several of your friends who have been doing the same kind of stuff. When they sucker you in on that they usually stiff you anyway, for they are after publicity and a show of how well they are performing, and tho hell with their word, and integrity.

They'll even extort your parents so you have both cops and parents urging you to "confess, its good for the soul" (but hard as hell on the body, which they leave out).

Try not to store stuff at home which is the first place they search if they get onto your case. Forget warrants, they don't use them much anymore.

Do not try to talk yourself out of a situation. The more you talk the more clues you give them and each clue allows them to claim you enhanced the suspicion, till they can arrest you ( under their anarchy) based on what you tell them.

Ask any lawyer what you ought do, and most will tell you to keep your mouth shut and say nothing at all. Name and that's it. Let them to ALL the talking and you do NONE of it.

They will threaten, lie, be nice, be angry, and all things to get you to break your silence. Break it and you will be convicted of something. After you give your name, say you don't want to talk to them at all, and shut up. If they persist and arrest you demand a lawyer before you say another word.
When you get the lawyer, tell them to talk to him about anything they want to know. Do not cooperate. All cooperation will be used against you. They will have more than one present and will try also to lie that you said this or that when you didn't. Say nothing. Sign absolutely nothing. Admit nothing. If they catch you with explosives, so not admit thats what they are, for you may have bought a lot of chemicals at a flea market, and had no idea what some of them were. If you admit they are explosives you are guilty of possession. If you do not admit it your shyster can later claim you had no knowlege they were such and therefore you had no intent to violate the law, and you can get off. Anything you say before or after you talk to a lawyer can tie his hands as to his argument in court as to what your side of the story is. Saying nothing will give him maximum room to move around.

posted December 22, 1999 04:07 AM         

well, the person who posted this probably doesn't know me, but i'm the guy who has been telling everybody to chill.

You seem to be an intelligent individual, and you have some good advice, which should be applied most of the time. But your overreacting.

Y2k is meaningless. Nothing is going to happen except a bunch of frustrated computer users tying up tech support for a few weeks. There will probably be a few riots. The police will probably crack down on a few parties. And there may even be a few terrorist attacks by religous zealots. But nothing is going to change, as much as maybe we want it to.

The US government is not a omnicient being with eyes and ears everywhere. Cops are just people who have had some training, wear a uniform and do what there boss tells them to.There are no heroes, no villians, just a lot of very confused people.

From the minute you are born, society begins to shove its idealogy down your throat. The only reason you have to be afraid is if you beleive it.

Cops are not boogy men who can read your mind and know when you are doing something illeagle. They are a mix of individuals. Some are gloriously deluded, others are totally cynicle and uncaring burnouts, but most are somewhere in between. They became cops because they thought they were doing the right thing. Most cops will not search your house without a warrent. Most cops won't arrest you unless you have commited a crime or you pissed them off. And they CAN'T prosecute without some form of evidence or testimony, true or false.

If youve had bad luck with cops, it's because you were unprepared. First, show respect. Be genuinely curteous, and be as cooperative as you can be. They want you to give them praise for "upholding the law", and they want you to respect thier authority. The average day in the life of a beat cop is so screwed, that if you were to walk a mile in thier shoes, you would do pretty much anything to get back in your own. The majority of thier time is spent doing paperwork, harrasing snotty and indignent teenagers, (Maybe rightly so, but still), reporting to the same abusive and drug abusing homes again and again, powerless to do anything, and wishing they were dead. Even if cops aren't the sharpest tacks in the world, you could a least admire some of them for holding on to there ideals for more than a few years.

The real problem is that your both stuck in the badguy/goodguy mentality. Cops think we are criminals, and you think they are the representation of a repressive and evil totaloran state. I'm at a loss to say who is more deluded. But explosives are illeagle for a reason. They have to be. If every ignorent lunitic who decided he wanted to make three thousand pounds of nitroglycerin was free to do it, then there would be a lot of dead people. People are to ignorent, lazy, and self serving to make any form of government without a peace keeping force feasable. If you really want to be free, you have to accept the fact that the rules are turly meant to be broken, and that you have to pay the consequences.

The government is a curropt, oppresive institution, yes. But so is every other government. If you fancy yourself an outlaw, the you have to take action. So you can bitch and moan all you want, throw your hands up in the air like a weekend revoltionary and say, "eh, what are you going to do?" or you can do something about it. Which is it going to be?

posted December 22, 1999 07:21 AM            

Check your spelling you "ignorent lunitic". That's what the edit function is for. USE IT!

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posted December 22, 1999 07:35 AM         

Cop: Freeze, what are you mixing?

Citizen : What's wrong epoxy A and epoxy B?!

Cop: That's it, you are under arrest!

Citizen :Hey, I ain't doing nothing wrong...
(Handcuffs click).....oh, man.

posted December 28, 1999 12:46 PM            

It is legal to have sulfuric acid

It is legal to have nitric acid

It is legal to have toluene

You can be arrested for having these 3 items

You can be convicted if you have these items together

Thats how it works. What jury today would think you were not planning to make TNT (despite the fact that you may have had 50 other chemicals in the area)?
They can s t r e t c h the law pretty far.

Right now the USA gov is using terrorism fear as a diversion to keep the public's mind off what they ought be doing to prepare for problems a month from now. This includes going hyper at ANYTHING the locals can call dangerous, or terroristic. They need publicity now and they will ruin your life to get it. Just be careful.

Remember cops lie under oath all the time. They also flake people they don't like, which means faking evidence on them, and arresting them on false probable cause, and then lying in court to make it stick. This is common in ALL countries, and USA is becoming one of the worst.

A book called the "Outlaw's Bible" by an ex con, says to study the law you are going to break, and by small changes in how you go about it you can reduce the severity of punishment greatly. Then if all goes wrong you are not roasted to a burnt cinder, but may come away with some parts still working.

Making fireworks that contain more powder than the stuff you buy in stores is illegal.
Not only are the works illegal, but the assembling of the stuff is illegal, as is the actual making of them. You have to have a BATF license in USA to do these things legally. They can't enforce this though for too many people are doing it, but they do pounce on the ones who make a big enough noise or disturbance to attract their attention. Could be a neighbor calling their 800 hot line to say a nut neighbor is making explosives. That will bring much hurt on you.

You are probably very wrong about what is going to happen in the next month or so about the y2k thing. Look at what government is doing not at what it is saying. Government is going underground into battle bunkers even today. Military vehicles are being moved around like war mobilization. All military are on full alert, and ON DUTY. Pay attention, Gov really thinks all hell is going to break loose, and so do the people who were trying to fix the computers. They say all the companies are lying like crazy about being fixed. They can't tell the truth or their stock will dive, and the bosses of those companies are heavily loaded with stock and will lie to keep it up as long as possible. When it does cave, they will say it was just the general y2k thing, and not their own stupidity and dishonesty that did it.

Remember, right now government is looking for press fodder. Anything will do. If they notice your activities they may make you a useful victim, and you can see your name smeared on the evening TV news. You will also learn that you are a nut, a terrorist, a whacko, etc. The folks who know you will not be allowed to say their side of it on TV.

Rjche is a fairly knowlegable fellow on the other posts I read of his, mostly on y2k forums. If I was mixing chemicals I would be much more careful and paranoid right now than normal.

These are crazy times. The governments of several nations have technically gone insane.
In those nations with constitutions, and individual rights, they are not being respected anymore. Constitutions have been overthrown as a fact, although governments still claim they respect them.

However you may desperately need the knowlege you get in forums in a few months or certainly in a couple years, for many things are about to blow, and they have nothing to do with y2k. That was just another brick on the chains of a dying government.

Take Care. Paranoia when entering the gates of hell is not a bad policy.