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TERROR
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posted December 08, 1999 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TERROR   Click Here to Email TERROR     
what is the chemical composition of fungicide
u mentioned in ur reply about armstrong mix.and pls tell me that is it possible to
detonate any high exp. like tnt anfo with it.


fart
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posted December 08, 1999 08:34 PM           
Zineb is (from memory)
Zinc Ethylene Bis di thio carbamate
Most potent of the family
mildly irritating dust

Maneb is the same with manganese as the metal
it makes poor expl and is highly irritating to skin lungs & eyes.

Firban is the same with iron as the metal
poor expl more irritating than maneb.

When zineb is mixed with chlorate it goes by the name zinex to those who use it.

Zinex can set off dynamite. It takes more than other primary explosives, but it will do it. 60% dynamite can be set off with a 30:06 hull filled with zinex. Use a broken christmas tree low voltage bulb (100 string runs about $3) with the filament in the stuff and sealed wires to make an electric cap.

The optimum compression is to compress it to 2/3 of the volume it has after the ground fine components are mixed well. Zineb has a fluffing agent in it to make it pour well. That's why its only 75% strength.

Have not tried zineb as a sensitizer for FGAN
(note ANFO refers to ammon nitrate plus fuel oil) FGAN refers to fertilizer grade prilled ammon nitrate.

Max sensitivity prilled mixes use only 1% fuel like wax (parafin) or moth balls (napthalene) to coat the surface to get a very fast initial burn that takes the rest with it if it has some confinement or without confinement is large quantity is present.

Incidentally napthalene and para di chloro benzene (the other kind of moth balls) both make pretty brisant expl with chlorates, and are not overly sensitive to friction, and appear stable in storage. They do not reach Zineb brisance though.

To get the ratios to mix, look up their formula in a chem book, and balance the equation to burn all carbon to CO2, all hydrogen to H2O and any chlorine to chloride of some metal that is carrying the oxygen, or let it go as Cl element. Then adjust, testing for ability to shatter a 22 hull full of it
in a can of sand. When you get to 15 pcs of hull you are at Mercury fulminate brisance.


to fire 22 hulls in the sand (or elsewhere) cut a pc of RG58 radio coax cable with dikes to a square end. At other end seperate the shield and center insulated conductor for about 4 inches. Connect them to a stun gun and it will spark over the other end and ignite whatever is in the 22 hull. A good test is a drop of Nitroglycerine on cotton in a 22 hull. This makes a cap that will set off dynamite. Instead of the stun gun you can use most any neon or oil furnace ignition transformer on the cable to fire it.
Rg58 fits 22 hulls exactly, and a simple crimp with diagonals, or a crimping tool holds it there very well. Using a wire stripping tool for large (#8 or # 10 wire) will crimp it without damaging the hull.

This ignition method is good for it takes about 6 KV minimum to flash over the square cut end from center to edge shield.

The 22 hulls are available in quantity at any shooting range, laying all over the ground.

The 22 magnum hulls make a much larger cap.

However zinex does not equal AP or other commercial cap materials, but in a pinch it can be made to work when nothing else is available.

Easiest way to set off ANFO is to put it in a
old propane cylinder of the 14 oz size, (takes some modification of the tank and is a lot of work) and install a model airplane glow plug (soldered in, NO leaks) and pump it up to 100 psi with propane, then add O2 till the gage reads 300 psi,

One such container, burried 5 ft deep, can loosen the earth from its spot to surface, and stir up the surface about a foot to make easy digging. Such a container would set off larger quantities of ANFO, in sacks, for digging a pond for example.

When gas is introduced into the 14 oz cylinder it does not mix but layers when added. You have to let it stand about an hour so thermal agitation will mix the two , and then it will go. If you use a glow plug and don't overdo the voltage on it and it won't go because you didn't wait long enough you can try try again. Best to let it stand long enough though. This is only an expedient used to dig water ponds in places where explosives are not available, but oxyacetylene torches are available. Do not use acetylene instead of propane, its unstable at high pressures, and does not have the energy of propane for some reason. Be careful in all you do, and always move with protection as if the stuff could go off at any time, when working with all explosives, and if it does do that one day, for some damned reason you didn't forsee, you will not be as seriously hurt.

Do watch for static electricity when fooling with highly inflamable mixtures like zinex, armstrong, chlorate/sulfur, etc. Usually a small spark won't have the energy to make it go, but you can't predict the energy in a spark, and some sparks will make things go. Best wear a grounding strap on your foot, a salt water wet sock over one shoe and touching your bare leg will do, and keep the floor moist with a light spray of salt water, will kill all static electricity. Or, use one of the straps computer users wear, or technicians wear.


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fart
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posted December 12, 1999 05:52 PM           
Where fart lives is not publishable. Assume i'm in a country that speaks english.

I told you what Zineb is in chemical language, which is the same in all languages except those that do not use letters in their writing.

I don't have the formula, but had it once.

In the kind of english you may be asking for,
just say it is a farm fungicide to put on plants that have fungus infections. Its only available in farm supply stores if at all.

No one makes it in pure form for chemical uses, or at least they did not when I searched for it.

If you can get some in pakistan, then you can
quickly experimentally find out the ratios, for the stuff you found. the fluffing agent varies with makers or packers. That's why you have to tune it for your own brand. No one states what the fluffing or flowing agent is.
For all I know it may have been the fluffing agent that made it so good, but I don't think so. The metal zinc gives the outgasses a metal vapor which carries much heat rapidly to anything it encounters, and that usually makes for a good initiator.

No offense taken at your (now tell me where you live). On the net we often communicate with persons who speak another language and have a hard time with english. Sometimes they say things that come out in english sounding terrible, although they meant well.

Folks discussing explosives will seldom say where they are or even give you a true email address, or their correct name. Some are behind firewalls, because some nations consider discussing such things to be a crime or if not a crime its a good reason to go harrass the person for thinking about such stuff.

Explosives are a tool, like a bulldozer. A bulldozer turned for terrorist purposes can do almost as much damage as a very large explosive bomb. That does not make it bad to study bulldozers, and if that's your interest go to it. Many however are interested in the chemistry of explosives, and many aids to mankind have come from tinkers harnessing explosives in a different way to usefully solve a problem.

If you want to take down a structure you don't have to use explosives. If you can quietly drill its columns with a slow turning hand drill, for example, then you can pack them with several chemicals which expand upon reacting with water, and that will crack the column and so weaken the structure that it will eventually fall when something like strong wind stresses it. Drill many holes and it will come down right away.

There are commercial products for doing just this. They are advt. as rock busters with noise or explosives, and they work overnight.

You can find them searching the net.

The ONLY noise these things make is a pop when the concrete cracks. Most folks would not notice it or think it was anything important. Anyone can get these things, but you don't see any buildings being destroyed by them because they are not as dramatic as explosives.

Anyway many many highly useful chemists began as kids tinkering with chemistry. most made black powder as their first thing, and went on from there. It is very attractive to young chemists.

Search the net for the word "pyro" or "pyrotechnics" and many pages will pop up.
Search alta vista and many documents related to it will be shown. Do learn how to find stuff on the net. That's more important than anything else, for to get smart you first have to learn HOW TO LEARN. Not everyone catches on quickly enough to keep from quitting to early.

I was taught these rules:
When studying have NO radio, noises, TV, or other distractions to occupy part of your mind. Let the parts not being used rest, and those working will have more energy and you will get there a lot quicker.

The most important thing to learn is where to find info on the thing you are interested in. Most of the time you can learn what others have found out at great expense in time, and then if they have not already answered the question you seek an answer for, you can at least begin to search where they quit. Its called standing on the shoulders of those who have gone before you.

I'll never forget the american company that made a colonge and decided to market it in Brazil. Turns out their famous USA name meant shit or something similar, in Spanish. They learned of that too late.

Some days a fella just ought to stay in bed, cause no good will come of that day's effort.
Now if I could learn how to tell which days that was before they happen.




HMTD Factory
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posted December 13, 1999 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
Sometimes farmers actually buy truck loads of chicken shit to supply phosphorus fertilizer=]


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