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TERROR A New Voice	posted December 02, 1999 03:42 AM i want to know how to make hydrazine from common chemicals .i heard that hydrazine is used in the most powerful explosive ever produced i dont know about the correct name of that stuff.and would any body tell me how to make mg powder.
mosaz Frequent Poster	posted December 02, 1999 12:44 PM I think you are talking about Astrolite. But today there are much stronger explosives known then Astrolite. For example HMX or CL20 are even stronger and easier to make because Astrolite is very toxic..
Kalium unregistered	posted December 02, 1999 04:08 PM Can i make hydrazine out ammonia and sodiumhypochlorite?My chemistry book called it Raschig Synthese. Formula: 2NH3 +NaOCL = N2H4 + NaCL + H2O
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 02, 1999 04:44 PM Here's a process for making Hydrazine Sulfate. Just omit the acid addition to get straight hydrazine hydrate. Or, you can use nitric acid instead of sulphuric to get hydrazine nitrate, which is what Astrolite is. HN is also used in an explosive incendiary gel which I'll be posting on my site soon. "Preparation of Hydrazine sulfate. 2 NH3 + NaOCl + H2SO4 --> N2H4*H2SO4 + NaCl + H2O 141 ml of Chlorox bleach (5.25 percent NaOCl) is added to 200 ml of 20 percent ammonium hydroxide and 5 ml of 1 percent limewater Ca(OH)2 in a one liter Erlenmeyer flask. The mixture is rapidly heated to boiling and maintained until the volume is reduced to about half, which requires about one-half hour. The solution is rapidly cooled and dilute sulfuric acid was added until a pH of 7-8 has attained and the precipitate that formed was separated by filtration. The cold filtrate was strongly acidified with 40 percent sulfuric acid. The white precipitate was filtered, washed with methanol and air dried. Melting point 254 degrees C (lit. 254 degrees C)." ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted December 04, 1999 04:19 AM What is CL20?
Survivor Frequent Poster	posted December 04, 1999 04:50 AM CL-20 (Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane ) is an extremely powerful explosive. VOD: 33,500 ft/sec. ------------------ /Survivor Survivor@netlimit.com ------------------
megalomania Administrator	posted December 04, 1999 10:24 AM Does not the Raschig process require some form of gelantinus substrate in order to complete the reaction? I believe some starch or glue would suffice. I just happen to have the complete synthesis for CL-20 on my website now, one of the newer explosives I added recently. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Kalium unregistered	posted December 04, 1999 10:54 AM Yes mega. thats right.I ve forgotten to wright. The other methode from NBK2000 is not easy. And when i mix bleach and ammonia it will form chlorin or?
megalomania Administrator	posted December 04, 1999 11:07 AM NBK2000's formula was ammonia and bleach, it will release some chlorine, but it will be hydrazine hydrate. The gelatin will insure that you do not form dangerous byproducts. I am afraid there is no easy way to make hydrazine, only one company in the US, and perhaps the world, makes anhydrous hydrazine. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Jolly Roger Frequent Poster	posted December 04, 1999 04:44 PM megalomania - i believe the gelantinus substrate you are looking for is dextrin. This works much better than starch or glue. It prevents large 'crystals' forming which are internally unstable and break down immediately. Read that as explode!
Kalium unregistered	posted December 04, 1999 05:40 PM Where can i get Dextrin and how do i mix the chemicals.Ammonia + Dextrin than NaOCL will this work?
megalomania Administrator	posted December 04, 1999 09:07 PM Ah, dextrin is the one I was thinking of, but I mention glue and starch simply because I know anybody can get those. Wheras I do not know if dextrin is all that common. Just in case anybody fancies making a bomb from bleack and ammonia, no this reaction will not make you a useful explosive, it is an accidential byproduct that will only cause harm to YOU. Yes, the reaction works fine, conduct in a well ventilated area. It's just hard to purify the result. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 04, 1999 09:14 PM Hey Mega, where's the CL-20 link on your page? I couldn't find it. Could you please post a link to it here? Thanks. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
megalomania Administrator	posted December 04, 1999 09:27 PM I use the more accurate chemical name of HNIW instead of CL-20 on the explosives index page. The direct link is http://nettrash.com/users/megalomania/HNIW.html and you can find it with the search engine or click on HNIW from the explosives section. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
mosaz Frequent Poster	posted December 05, 1999 07:21 AM Will this synthesis work? And I think the det. vel. of CL-20 is about 9600m/sec.
megalomania Administrator	posted December 05, 1999 12:53 PM The synthesis is directly from the patent literature except I rewrote to make it easier to understand (patents are written in some surreal dialect of English for some strange reason). The det velocity also differs on the crystalline form and the density, that det velocity also comes from a literature source. I have yet to write up the synthesis for HBIW which is the direct precurser, itself made from less exotic chems. It will appear in my synthesis section, which I am finally starting later this month yeah. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Macgyver unregistered	posted December 06, 1999 02:02 PM I was just wondering, once you have hydrazine hydrate how can it be made anhydrous? Maybe some variation of vacum distillations.

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