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*Igenx* Frequent Poster	posted December 03, 1999 12:10 AM Using ammonia and paraformaldahyde to make the hexane, what is the ratio? Still in the solution, could the hydrogen peroxide be 'safely' added and still get an effective product? If so, what would be the ratio, by volume?
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted December 03, 1999 12:23 AM dont you mean hexamine? you shouldnt use the solution, just boill the solution down and you will be left with hexamine, easy nuff, you should do it outside, because I hear ammonia gas is deadly and formaldhyde fumes are not pleasant. ------------------ -dlwdaw "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson
Ho ju Moderator	posted December 03, 1999 04:00 PM you are right dlwdaw. The F. Gas is nasty shit. it smiles like it too. I would not want that stuff "creeping" around in my house. it has the possibilities of doing alot of damage. ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! -The eagle may soar but the weasle does not get sucked into jet engines. -The beatings will continue until morale improves.
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted December 04, 1999 03:22 AM Some problem I had before, use ammonia water and formaldehyde water to make HMTD, I didn't bother look up the ratio, so I just pour "a lot" of ammonia into fd, 'cuse extra ammonia escape into air. The mix heat up a little and gave a few bubbles. Get rid of water, there's white substance remain, should be HMTD as said. But if u heat up ONLY formaldehyde solution to get rid of water, it gives u white substance TOO!, but I figured that's just formaldehyde polymerized itself, it's combustable in air too, the point is, if formaldehyde didn't completely react, it forms solid impurities, u just have to use them up. The formula can be sorted out: Not much bubble means theres no gas produced in the reaction, no N2 ,no O2, no CO2, no H2. there isn't much complexity involving breakdown of molecules, like acid react with alkaline in a way rather. formaldehyde HCHO ammonia NH3 (NH4OH is NH3 + H2O) hexamine (CH2)6N4 6HCHO + 4NH3 -> (CH2)6N4 + 6H2O so the formaldehyde to ammonia is 3:2 now u got the "molar" ratio, do you know the concentration of your solutions?
HMTD Factory Frequent Poster	posted December 04, 1999 03:35 AM How do people know the volume ratio without knowing ur concentration of both solutions? Don't put H2O2 into formaldehyde solutions, formaldehyde reduces oxadizing agents, it can shine stained copper by just dipping into it. If u drip one drop, just one fat drop of formaldehyde into, say, 60% nitric acid, you better RUN! run for your LUNG!!
nbk2000 Moderator	posted December 04, 1999 04:16 AM This is from KIPE VOL. #1 on my site. Hexamine can also be made with common ammonia water (5%) and the commonly available 37% formaldehyde solution. To make this component, place 400 g. of clear ammonia water in a shallow pyrex dish. To this add 54 g. of the formaldehyde solution to the ammonia water. Allow this to evaporate and when the crystals are all that remains in the pan, place the pan in the oven on the lowest heat that the oven has. This should be done only for a moment or so to drive off any remaining water. These crystals are scraped up and plaecd in an airtight jar to store them until they are to be used. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000

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