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wave Frequent Poster	posted November 30, 1999 11:28 PM if any body could help it would help me a lot how much of sodium chlorate would it take to make ....well let say a M-500 also where can i buy alummnium mesh at i try looking at paint stores but they only sell it in the paint is the stuff that you put in your raditor that clugs up holes.. is that alum...
Jolly Roger Frequent Poster	posted December 01, 1999 02:29 PM wave - i use about 1/2 - 3/4 of a teaspoon of sodium chlorate and aluminium in m-100, but i have never heard of an m-500 (big or what?). It won't be much louder than an m-100, but if it's destructive power your after then make it bigger! 2 1/2 teaspoons would probably make it enough (although for a firecracker its kinda wasteful!) If you cant find aluminium mesh powder, then put aluminium foil in a coffee grinder, and leave it on for a few minutes. Tear the foil into thin strips before you put it in.
wave Frequent Poster	posted December 01, 1999 07:07 PM thank you jolly roger for your help if any body could help me out with the process of making sodium chlorate well i put about 1/4 cup of salt in with 500ml of water and about 6in of carbon rod connected to the (pos +) wire..... and the (neg -) wire connect to a piece of 2 x 2 coffe can metal... and when turn the charger to 6 volts and run it about a day and and i got a whole bunch of black stuff at the bottom on my jar...now i believe that is sodium chlorate or is it some thing else if any body could help me please help me..bcause i dont know if i am doing it right and if any one know how much "table salt" in cups or tablespoons to put in with how many cups of water please help me on that to.. thanks for all you help
Ho ju Moderator	posted December 01, 1999 08:13 PM correct me if i am wrong but you need to super saturate the water with salt and the sodium chlorate is white in color. Hope it helps. also searh the forum for electrolysis or look on megas wep site ------------------ -Knowledge is power, power leads to corruption, corruption is a crime, crime doesn't pay. So if you know to much you will go broke!!! -The eagle may soar but the weasle does not get sucked into jet engines. -The beatings will continue until morale improves.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted December 01, 1999 09:11 PM The black stuff is carbon, from the carbon rods. Thats alrgiht, it will do that. You'll need to run the thing for over a week, too. If you search the forum you'll find a lot of information on electrolysis.
wave Frequent Poster	posted December 01, 1999 10:26 PM thank you for all the info so as far as i got so far iam doing it right i already went through 1 carbon rod and is suppose to look black also how would i know when it is done
Paul A New Voice	posted December 02, 1999 01:59 AM Ho Ju, if you where to create a super saturated solution the salt would almost immediately precipitate back out of the solution. Once the solution came in contact with a foreign object like the electrode the salt would begin to crystallize on the electrode and fall out of solution. And the only way you can get a super saturated solution would be to heat the liquid, thereby increasing the solubility of the salt, add enough to create a saturated solution, and then cool it without disturbance. So it is not necessary to create a super saturated solution.
Jolly Roger Frequent Poster	posted December 02, 1999 06:42 AM synthesis in this fashion isn't very efficient, and you would probably find it easier to use potassium chloride dietry substitute salt, with a small amount of salt in it. The efficiency can be increased by adding a small amount of potassium dichromate. Nbk2000 sent me a document on this so (if he doesn't mind!) i'll send it to you.
Kalium unregistered	posted December 02, 1999 06:54 AM Can i use an iron anode for the elektrolyse or will this not work?
Bandit Frequent Poster	posted December 02, 1999 12:00 PM Jolly Roger, What ratio would you use for the sodium chlorate flash powder? Cheers Bandit
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted December 02, 1999 01:13 PM If you search the forum you will find the answer to all of your questions.
Jolly Roger Frequent Poster	posted December 02, 1999 06:33 PM bandit - these are the two that i like. Remember that the addition of sulphur makes it highly friction sensitive, so be careful! here goes: 1 Sodium Chlorate 7.5oz Charcoal dust 1.5oz Sulphur 1oz (best with sulphur otherwise it is just a herb (fire lighter)) 2 Sodium chlorate 2oz Aluminium 1oz Sulphur 1oz (you can choose whether or not to add sulphur with this one it increases the power but makes the flash powder more sensitive to friction)
wave Frequent Poster	posted December 02, 1999 11:53 PM when the process is all done do i keep the soild or the water also when the tin is starting to rust (i think) do i keep it going or do i change it. thanks for your help

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