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megalomania Administrator	posted October 29, 1999 06:24 PM I have just perused the website of Pyrotech Distributors, a provider of laboratory chemicals and glassware intended for pyrotechnic work. The link to this site was provided by HydraShock in the post Awesome Pyrotechnics Catalog on Oct, 24. The site is quite nice, they have a small but excellent selection of chemicals that are reasonably priced. Some of the chemicals are excessively expensive, like $1.75 for 1 qt of distilled water, but many are decent. What worries me is there selection of chemicals. It is known to me that the DEA maintains certain chemical companies that sell to individuals. The DEA either has them as a front, or in most cases are in cooperation with the company owners. Although the chemicals in this case are not drug related, they could be troublesome if purchased in certain combinations. It is notable that this company is trying to sell its materials for pyrotechnics, but they can still draw you in. For example, they sell toluene (overpriced), sulfuric acid (overpriced), and nitric acid (overpriced, but there are not many alternative sellers). A few other choicy chemicals, like the high conecntration hydrogen peroxide, along with citric acid... You get the picture. They have all the chemicals necessary to make several common high explosives available in one place, from one company. I would advise caution to those who are unliscensed (nobody here of course, but I hear they are out there) when making an order. Limit your mail order purchases, do not order everything from the same company at the same time, and if you have few suppliers space out the buys at irregular intervals, one chem at a time. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted October 29, 1999 06:36 PM They also have a VERY similar inventory as Pyrotek. In fact, they look like the same thing almost. From the catalogue of Pyrotek, it shows that they specialise in Amateur Rocketry, but they sell the nitric acid and sulfuric acid aswell.
Ho ju Moderator	posted October 30, 1999 02:53 PM I would like to order some crap from pyrotek and it looks alright but you never can be to sure. i have talked to people that have ordered from pyrotek and they say it is alright.
wave Frequent Poster	posted October 30, 1999 04:49 PM i see where you are all coming from in your point of view. but to me it seems to be to good to be ture. i think there something behind it, that they are not telling us
megalomania Administrator	posted October 30, 1999 11:28 PM I have no doubt that these companies are legit, BUT they offer things to TEMPT the unwary. And since they are trying to tempt people, it stands to reason they will keep tabs on your orders ,or rather the gov't agency who is forcing them to offer those things for sale is going to keep tabs on your name and other stuff you may order. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Dr.Zayus Frequent Poster	posted November 17, 1999 01:37 AM you guys seem extremely parnoid. You should ask a lawyer in your spare time. You'd be supprised how much harder it is to violate your rights when you know what they are. Maybe you will be put on a watched list. Who cares? You don't have to account for the chemicals, and you aren't going to use them to hurt anyone, so what could they do about it? Your name will dissapear eventually. They need a judges permission to tap your phone, and they also need a judges permission to search your house. You should use explosives as soon as you make them anyway. The government, despite most anarchist theory, is not a conscious being bent on destroying free will and and creativity. It is a slush of thousands of orginizations, each filled with buerocracy, stupidity, and, in reality, composed of people. It is almost like the internet, in a way, because it is manipulated by those with the most power over and knowledge of its operation. So grow up a little, and learn how these agencies work, before you end up sounding like the the jolly roger. Stay cool. ------------------ KABONG! Doh! Dr.Zayus
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 17, 1999 02:49 AM There's no such thing as paranoid when it comes to the government taking your rights and privacy away. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom. And just as a small example of the kind of thinking going on nowadays check this http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?&pn=US05878155__ . Can you say "Mark of the Beast"? And what about judges? They're nothing more than rubber stamps for anything a federal prosecutor wants to do. Read "The Electronic Privacy Papers: Documents on the Battle for Privacy in the Age of Surveillance, by Bruce Schneier and David Banisar". It explains in great detail how the government consistently subverts the intent of the Constitution by listening in on political groups, activists, and anyone else they think is a threat. And of all the wire taps the feds asked for, NOT ONE was ever refused in the years listed n the books. And that's only the ones they bothered to legally get. LAPD routinely tappped people without a warrant so they could get dirt to use as a pretext for a legal warrant. And lets not even mention the NSA. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted November 17, 1999 03:34 PM Go here: http://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa.html That should cover some of the "benefits" the NSA enjoys.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted November 17, 1999 03:43 PM Damnit, they changed the layout to their site, so to get to the file do the following, go to http://www.cryptonym.com/ then from the side bar on the left, click on Hot Topics, from there click on the back hole issue under August '99. Read the FAQ on the subject too.
Dr.Zayus Frequent Poster	posted November 18, 1999 03:48 AM I'm not saying the government isn't suppressing you, im just saying it isn't really that good at it. I don't know where you got your information about wire taps, but i can guarantee it's bullshit if it says that the feds got every wire tap they asked for. The FBI is a huge orginization, that has been around for a long, long time, and has probably had to ask for thousands and thousands of wire taps. They would probably only record the times they recieved permission to use wire taps. Why would there be any recorded information on a denied request to do a wiretap? And as for the NSA, it is even bigger than the feds. It has to sift through so much data everyday, the chances of them caring about some little BBS is slim to none. In fact, the chances that they even know that this site exists is not very good. Crimanal empires exist because the government is not as smart as you think. Criminals are not as smart as you think. Mostly, it's just blind luck.
megalomania Administrator	posted November 19, 1999 03:54 AM I find it upsetting on principal that you can have yourself come to the attention of the authorities for something as simple as buying a few chemicals. Despite your good intentions, they can still harass, wiretap, raid, and generally slander a person's good name. I can move this site to China if the US dosn't like it. Our rights are being eroded at an ever increasing rate. i am truly upset that a generation and more ago there were many individuals who had functional science laboratories in their homes. Today it is virtually impossible for any "layman" to practice their own experiments and not be labled a nut. Any chemical beyond water is labled "evil" and just try to dare buy any for personal use. Those laws make me sick. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
nbk2000 Moderator	posted November 19, 1999 06:50 AM I remember, in the early 80's, being able to go into K-Bee Toys and buying magnesium ribbon, iodine crystals, and glass condensers. Not anymore. Drug war saw to that. Remember when chemistry sets came in a wood box with little bottles of actual powdered chemicals, shit that would kill you if you ate it? With a bunsen burner and real glass test tubes? Thanks to stupid kids and parents who were sue-happy that's a thing of the past now too. Chem sets now come with superdiluted solutions of harmless chemicals that come in sealed plastic vials. And "experiments" are conducted by injecting drops into disposable vials and noticing a color change. OOOOOHHHHH. Real impressive stuff, huh? VeHeMT, the NSA backdoor has already been discredited. Go here for an update http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9909.html#NSAKeyinMicrosoftCryptoAPI . As for Dr. Zayus, "Get your stinking paws off my forum, you filthy ape!". I suggest you read the book before commenting on how the info is incorrect. It the governments own documents saying that they've never been refused. Also, when you become a world-renowned computer and crypto security expert whom's opinon is sought by every major computer company and government security agency on earth, then I'll listen to your opinons on the subject. ------------------ "The knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be used against them." www.50megs.com/nbk2000

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