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dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted September 26, 1999 08:50 PM what is the chemical formula for hexamine(like NaNO3 for sodium nitrate, KNO3 for potassium nitrate, KCLO3 for potassium chlorate) and where can I get it. I looked for it at gunshows, ranger surplus, walmart, kmart,etc. I cant find it. I still have 2 places to check. anandale surplus. and the boy scout place casual adventures also where can I find citric acid. I hear it is in the home canning section of your grocery store. but its the 90's there is no home canning section, is there? also what is the ratio for HMTD with the HCLO version. and would 3% H2O2 work?? if not where would I get the 30% thanks ------------------ dont quote me, dont try this, and correct me if I'm wrong.
poison Frequent Poster	posted September 27, 1999 12:41 PM For hexamine http://www.afmo.com . For the citric acid you can order it from pyrotek http://www.pyrotek.org I never bother with the citric acid I used HCL. For the peroxide yes you can use 3% H2O2 just use 10x as much as you would 30%. Ex. 3ml of 30% = 30ml of 3%. -Poison
dlwdaw Frequent Poster	posted September 27, 1999 01:26 PM sorry for the misunderstanding. I want a place that is not mailorder. if i wanted to mailorder I could make RDX, HMTD, kinepak, etc. I would really like to order by mail but I'am still under my parents supervision (I'am not 18 or 21). so I can order hexamine from a surplus store. my dad likes military surplus so that shouldnt be a problem. but I still want to know an ordinary place to buy it. the citric acid shouldnt be a problem either. my mom wants to order some sodium silicate from pyrotek. she wants to use it to make masks that will last a long time. I have a chem. set that uses citric acid, it has it in very small quantities like 50mg. but I think I will be able to convince her to buy me some citric acid. also anyone know a common place to buy citric acid. Cerocool(one of my online friends) said he used store brand koolaid to make HMTD he said he bought a 9 gram packet and it had about 7g. of citric acid. he also said the stuff worked fine. I got to get some koolaid. www.imsplus.com also sells hexamine and fuse and teargas and gas masks and paintball stuff. and darts for blow gun. ------------------ dont quote me, dont try this, and correct me if I'm wrong.
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted September 27, 1999 01:37 PM I have been lucky in finding both hexamine and citric acid from local stores. Surplus stores almost always cary hexamine, although they are slowly converting to trioxane, I think thats what its called, i simply cant remember now. I bought 48 hexamine tablets from a local hardware store in their camping section. They were sold by a company called Coghlan's, but this company may only be selling stuff in Canada (where I live =]). For the citric acid I found it at a Pharmacy. The Pharmacy I found it at was called Guardian Drug's ( again possibly only a Canadian chain). It was under the section where they also sold Potassium Nitrate, Glycerine, 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and Camomile lotion. They were all made by the same company. Hope that helped ~VeHeMT
VeHeMT Frequent Poster	posted September 27, 1999 01:40 PM I would avoid using impure chemicals when making a peroxide. There very well may be 7g's of citric acid in that koolaid, but then there is 2 g's of impurities which is a no-no for peroxide's.
megalomania Administrator	posted September 27, 1999 03:24 PM The availability of hexamine and citric acid is highly dependant on your area. I have looked for both compounds at several stores with no luck. Neither chemical is all that exotic, so many mail order chemical companies do have it. Yes, grocery stores do have canning sections to cater to the needs of those evil enough to dare grow their own food and cut the Corperation out of the loop. the citric acid is a preservative, a brewers shop would have some. Of course, hexamine can be made by reacting ammonia (just the grocery store kind) with formaldehyde. Formaldehyde can be purchased from certain stores as either a mildewcide (kills mildew) or as an oder reducer for reactional vehicles (for RV toilets). There is not all that much formaldehyde out there, but probably more than there is of hexamine It is rumored Home Depot has the mildewcide (may be listed as paraformaldehyde) and Wal Mart has the toilet stuff (with a dark blue stain that may or may not affect the reactions). I'm still figuring out how i can make formaldehyde from sawdust (how they used to do it before synthetic methods). Hexamine, I prefer methenamine, aka Urotropin, hexamethylenetetramine, or Ammoform, has the formula C₆H₁₂N₄ it is a white crystalline powder that burns, of course. The chemical structure is quite odd, imagine 4 nitrogen atoms, each nitrogen atom is bonded to 3 carbon atoms, each of those carbons is bonded to another nitrogen. It takes on the shape of a cube sorta. I have a graphic at my website I believe. ------------------ Visit Megalomania's Explosives and Stuff at http://surf.to/megalomania
Nitrochem A New Voice	posted September 28, 1999 03:52 PM the trioxane VeHeMT is complaining about may help here. trioxane is the cyclic polymer of formaldehyde (metaformaldehyde). It should be possible to make a formaldehyde sol by dissolving it in very hot water (i'm not sure about this one) but it could definitely be made by decomposing the solid by heat and bubbling the formaldehyde gas through water, or hell, right through the ammonia.
john doe A New Voice	posted September 28, 1999 09:29 PM I found hexamine in an old camp stove in my garage, it was an esbit stove from fred meyer. the thing must be ten years old so Im not sure if they would still cary them or not

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