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dlwdaw
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posted September 06, 1999 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
will i be able to make HNO3 with car battery acid(boiled untill dense white fumes come off) and NaNO3(sodium nitrate). I havesome NaNO3 and how do I get the acid out of the car battery. do I remove the top?

and finally would this improvised condenser/retort apparatus work?


everything is glass except for the stoppers.
it will use glass tubing bent. and will scotch tape be enough to hold the uncondensed NO2 long enough for the ice bath to condense it?
any help is greatly appreciated.

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Saiyan Knight
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posted September 06, 1999 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saiyan Knight     
No, the NO2 will simply eat right through the tape. If it didn't do it right away, the NO2 will react with the tape making it impure condensed nitric acid. Oh and if you want to get the sulfuric acid out of a battery, just take off one of the caps and pour it into a glass container. Then you might want to pour the acid through a paper towel because there may be powdered lead in it or some dirt. If this is not done, the lead or dirt may react with the acid when it is being concentrated making it impure.


dlwdaw
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posted September 06, 1999 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
what would I use to plug up the collecting beaker. could I use a flask instead with a rubber stopper.

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Saiyan Knight
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posted September 07, 1999 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saiyan Knight     
The NO2 will simply eat right through the rubber stopper too.


dlwdaw
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posted September 07, 1999 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
what would I use, pyrotek doesnt sell retorts. they sell condensers, but not retort. wait jus a minute, could I melt a glass tube over the little vacume thing on a vacume filter flask. then use a glass stopper, please tell me this will work.

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Saiyan Knight
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posted September 08, 1999 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saiyan Knight     
I don't think vacuum filtering flask are meant to be heated.


megalomania
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posted September 14, 1999 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for megalomania   Click Here to Email megalomania     
Vacuum filtering flasks can NOT tolerate heat in any way, the heating of the Erlenmeyer design is enough to cause stress fractures with the extra heavy glass filtering flasks are made of that will weaken it to death. Connecting glass to glass can only be done if the type of glass is the same, you would need the extra heavy glass that the flask is made of. I have only a few tidbits of glass blowing experience, but an expediant all glass system for nitric acid is on my mind. If you want the real deal, you'll have to buy standard taper glassware, they do not make retorts anymore, I have not seen one for sale in 6 years.

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posted September 14, 1999 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
I saw a retort awhile ago on sale for $10 at CFRI in oakland. It was all dusty and shit. Should have bought it when I had the chance. Although you can buy distilling flasks pretty cheap. A 500ml one cost me about $25. It looks like a long neck flask with a length of glass tubing coming out the side of the neck. Use those instead of trying to distill with rubber stoppers. You'll need to close the open end with a stopper. If you can't get a viton stopper, you can use a regular rubber stopper if you use a one hole stopper with a short length of glass tubing stuck in it and the receiving flask is connected to an aspirator or some other vacuum source. Air is drawn in through the tube and carries the acid fumes out of the flask through the side arm and through the condenser and into the flask. The fumes never touch the stopper.

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