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dlwdaw
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posted October 09, 1999 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
I just mixed up the chems for hmtd.(H2O2, citric acid{I used a replacement, lemonade koolaid, paul[he posted here before about h2so4] said he used it and it worked}, and hexamine)
I used 40 volume(12%) h2o2 that I got from a five finger discount from sally's(he he).
some hexamine (esbit)I bought from annandale surplus(50% wax) and some lemonaid koolaid(five finger discount from safeway, he he)
I filtered the wax off after all the hexamine dissolved in the h2o2.
then I added alot of lemonaid koolaid(a very high conc. of citric acid).
it has been like 3 hours and nothing has precipitated.
I have made this bfeore(from 3%) and waited 24 hours and it didnt work.
will this work. thanks and sorry for the post about my page(subject:FUCK).
i was pissed.
thanks for any replies


dlwdaw
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posted October 09, 1999 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
it worked.
I only got a little bit because I need to wait a few more hours for full yeild.
but I lost the little bit I filtered down the drain because someone stile my filter.
but I still have 2 more batches. wehn i'am sure it is forming I'am going to make a big batch. so I can have alot

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*Igenx*
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posted October 09, 1999 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for *Igenx*   Click Here to Email *Igenx*     
Really bright of you to confess that you are producing explosives. If anyone else visiting this site gets busted, you might get taken along for the ride.


dlwdaw
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posted October 10, 1999 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
oops, I never did this and you cant prove that I did.
I have never made anything illegal.
I'am a good citizen.
ha ha ha.
come on even if I did make it(saving my ass) how could anyoone prove it.
look I live in USA and I just killed the president, this is not a flame but , they cant really prove anything.(men in black come into my house and find the assasination weapon, help, help, save me save me )

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-dlwdaw

"... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down"

-- Ragnar Benson

nbk2000
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posted October 10, 1999 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
You used kool-aid instead of citric acid and got nothing. Not surprising. Don't forget about the sugar, flavorings, dyes, and other crap. Just use straight citric from the canning section of the grocery store. You get much more for less.

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dlwdaw
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posted October 10, 1999 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
damnit there is no fucking canning section of a grocery store here.
I got the unsweetened kind.
it worked I got a big yeild, I'am letting it dry right now.
sorry for the attitude but I have been looking for citric acid for a long time at the grocery store.

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-dlwdaw

"... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down"

-- Ragnar Benson


dlwdaw
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posted October 10, 1999 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
damnit there is no fucking canning section of a grocery store here.
I got the unsweetened kind.
it worked I got a big yeild, I'am letting it dry right now.
sorry for the attitude but I have been looking for citric acid for a long time at the grocery store.

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-dlwdaw

"... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down"

-- Ragnar Benson


dlwdaw
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posted October 10, 1999 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlwdaw   Click Here to Email dlwdaw     
damnit there is no fucking canning section of a grocery store here.
I got the unsweetened kind.
it worked I got a big yeild, I'am letting it dry right now.
sorry for the attitude but I have been looking for citric acid for a long time at the grocery store.

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-dlwdaw

"... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down"

-- Ragnar Benson


nbk2000
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posted October 10, 1999 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nbk2000   Click Here to Email nbk2000     
If you can't find it, make it. Go to http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum2/HTML/001316.html and I have a very through post there about making citric acid from citrus fruits. That should help you out. Also try pharmacies and health food stores.

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Bandit
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posted October 10, 1999 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bandit   Click Here to Email Bandit     
Citric acid can be found at the wine makers section of shops.

Bandit

megalomania
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posted October 11, 1999 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for megalomania   Click Here to Email megalomania     
Fascinating post that was on the Hive, nbk2000. i have been looking for that info myself... My grocery store does have a canning section, and no it does not have any citric acid. Nor are there any wine stores in the area I know of, I would either have to buy it from chem supplier or make it. I know its is just a bottle of lemon juice away, but getting to pure crystals was the problem. Thank you very much...

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megalomania
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posted October 11, 1999 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for megalomania   Click Here to Email megalomania     
I'm sticking this here for our own archival purposes, ya never know when the Hive may be taken down...


To Prepare Citric Acid, add 4.5 ounces chalk by degrees to 4 pints lemon juice, heated, and mix; set aside so that the precipitate can settle; afterwards pour off the fluid. Wash the precipitated calcium citrate frequently with warm water, then pour upon it 27.5 fluid ounces diluted sulphuric acid and 2 pints distilled water, and boil for 15 minutes. Filter and evaporate the filtered solution with a gentle heat, and set it asideso that crystals may form. To obtain the crystals pure, dissolve them in water a second and third time, filter each solution, evaporate, and set it aside to crystallize.
In conducting this process some care is necessary to ensure success. The chalk used should be dry, and in fine powder, andbe added to the juice till its perfectly neutralized, and the quantity consumed must be exactly noted. The precipitated calcium citrate of time should be well washed with water, and the sulphuric acid diluted with 6 or 8 times its weight of water, poured upon it while still warm, and throughly mixed with it. The agitation must be occasionally renewed for 8 or 10 hours, when the dilute citric acid must be poured off, and the precipitate of calcium sulphate thoroughly washed with warm water, and the washings added to the dilute acid. The latter must then be poured off from the impurities that may have been deposited, and boiled unitil it aquires a specific gravity of 1.13, when the process must be continued at a lower temperature until a pellicle (crusty film) appeares upon the surface.

This part of the process requires great attention and judgment, as, if not properly done, the whole batch may be carbonized abd spoiled. At this point the evaporation must be stopped, and the concentrated solution emptied into warm and clean crystallizing vessels in a dry room. At the end of 4 days the crystals will be ready to be romoved, when they must be well drained, redissolved in as little water as possible, and, after being allowed to stand for a few hours to deposit impurities, again evaporated and crystallized.

When the process has been well managed, the acid of the second crystallization will usually be sufficiently pure; but if this be not the case, a third, or even a fourth crystallization must be done. The mother liquors from several pans are collected together, and, by evaporation, yield a second or third crop of crystals obtained by evaporation as before. Citric acid crystals are obtained with great ease, but in some cases, where all the calcium citrate has not undergone decomposition by the acid, a little of that salt is taken up by the free citric acid, and materially obstructs the crystallization. This is best avoided by exactly measuring the quantity of the sulphuric acid to that of the calcium, 49 parts by weight of sulphuric acid to 50 parts chalk. In practice it is found that a very slight excess of acid is prefered to leaving any calcium citrate undecomposed.

2 gallons of lemon juice yields about 1 pound of crystals (about 5%).

Tests for the purity of citric acid: When pure, it does not yield a crystalline precipitate when added in excess to a solution of potassium corbonate, such a precipitate indicates the presence of tartaric acid. It is entirely soluble in water, and what is thrown down by lead acetate from this solution is entirely soluble in dilute nitric acid. No potassium salts (besides tartate) yeilds a precipitate with the aqueous solution. It is entirely decomposed by heat. Added sparingly to cold lime water it doesn't render it turbid.

Hope this helps you out.


Nitrochem
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posted October 11, 1999 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nitrochem   Click Here to Email Nitrochem     
If u don't feel like going through all that, Sears sells citric acid as a rosin cleaner in its water treatment section. I don't know the concentration though. You might also try the Photographer's Formulary (www.photoforumlary.com) which has it for 6.50/lb. (shipping price's a bitch though).


HMTD factory
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posted October 12, 1999 07:11 PM           
Hydrogen Peroxide(cheap) : 3% will work, as long as you keep reading.6%, 12%, will work
definitely.

Hexamethylenetetramine(cheap) :Also called:
Cystamine,Urotropine,Fuel Tablet, find it where fishing/camping/outdoor activity goods
are supplied.

Citric Acid(cheap): pure, dry crystals at
pharmacies.It gives you acidity to speed
up the process, washed away in water, is stable too.

(HCl and H2SO4 sold for other than lab use
have ferric ions (iron impurities)in them,
will decompose H2O2 )

Now follow the same instruction others told you (follow it word by word, ice bath and
waiting is required),except adjust the amount
of H2O2 as the concentration varies.I encourage you to put a little extra H2O2 in it as it will decompose.

**After a point that all ingredients dissolve in the same container : STOP !!nothing more goes into the mixture from now on, even the stirring rod!!**

Ice bath, sit cold as been told.

Now you have to reduce the water from the mix
and i hope you used a shallow(but thick), plastic dish as the container.If not,
DON'T change the container u use

Use temperature around 40 C to warm it,
till it SEEMS sticky AND has white crystals in it. Don't use anything to test
if it is sticky, tip the container, if it
doesn't flow AND has CRYSTALS in it, perfect!You should also be aware that at this stage it is able to kill.(It punched
a hole in my dish when I poked it with a
contaminated rod). *Note* : Don't attempt to
dry out all the water, it won't increase your
product yield. Do not sun-dry it as UV kicks electrons' ass. Be patient for the slow drying process, a deadly brew is worthy of
several days. Prevent dusts to enter your container.

How to get the crystal in it? Flush the crystal into a larger, clean plastic/glass/ceramic bowl , then gather/filter the crystal in the bowl, wash again, warm it dry (again, no sun-dry)

There u go. High quality HMTD.
Pile some in a pile no larger than 3mm dia.
insert a long, burning bamboo/wood strip.insert horizontally,
It will respond rapidly to the fire, gives you nice red-orange fireball and no smoke at all.

Enjoy the fun.




Ho ju
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posted October 13, 1999 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ho ju   Click Here to Email Ho ju     
Is hexamine still sold in stores? i read somewhere else on this forum it was ebing replaced by a more reliable fuel?

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HMTD Factory
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posted October 13, 1999 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HMTD Factory     
Yeah, I got mine in such camping store.

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