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dlwdaw Frequent Poster |
I just mixed up the chems for hmtd.(H2O2, citric acid{I used a replacement, lemonade koolaid, paul[he posted here before about h2so4] said he used it and it worked}, and hexamine) I used 40 volume(12%) h2o2 that I got from a five finger discount from sally's(he he). some hexamine (esbit)I bought from annandale surplus(50% wax) and some lemonaid koolaid(five finger discount from safeway, he he) I filtered the wax off after all the hexamine dissolved in the h2o2. then I added alot of lemonaid koolaid(a very high conc. of citric acid). it has been like 3 hours and nothing has precipitated. I have made this bfeore(from 3%) and waited 24 hours and it didnt work. will this work. thanks and sorry for the post about my page(subject:FUCK). i was pissed. thanks for any replies |
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dlwdaw Frequent Poster |
it worked. I only got a little bit because I need to wait a few more hours for full yeild. but I lost the little bit I filtered down the drain because someone stile my filter. but I still have 2 more batches. wehn i'am sure it is forming I'am going to make a big batch. so I can have alot ![]() ------------------ "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson |
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*Igenx* Frequent Poster |
Really bright of you to confess that you are producing explosives. If anyone else visiting this site gets busted, you might get taken along for the ride. |
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dlwdaw Frequent Poster |
oops, I never did this and you cant prove that I did. ![]() I have never made anything illegal. I'am a good citizen. ha ha ha. come on even if I did make it(saving my ass) how could anyoone prove it. look I live in USA and I just killed the president, this is not a flame but , they cant really prove anything.(men in black come into my house and find the assasination weapon, help, help, save me save me )------------------ "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson |
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nbk2000 Moderator |
You used kool-aid instead of citric acid and got nothing. Not surprising. Don't forget about the sugar, flavorings, dyes, and other crap. Just use straight citric from the canning section of the grocery store. You get much more for less. ------------------ |
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dlwdaw Frequent Poster |
damnit there is no fucking canning section of a grocery store here. I got the unsweetened kind. it worked I got a big yeild, I'am letting it dry right now. sorry for the attitude but I have been looking for citric acid for a long time at the grocery store. ------------------ "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson |
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dlwdaw Frequent Poster |
damnit there is no fucking canning section of a grocery store here. I got the unsweetened kind. it worked I got a big yeild, I'am letting it dry right now. sorry for the attitude but I have been looking for citric acid for a long time at the grocery store. ------------------ "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson |
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dlwdaw Frequent Poster |
damnit there is no fucking canning section of a grocery store here. I got the unsweetened kind. it worked I got a big yeild, I'am letting it dry right now. sorry for the attitude but I have been looking for citric acid for a long time at the grocery store. ------------------ "... always look on the positive side of things, blow things up not down" -- Ragnar Benson |
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nbk2000 Moderator |
If you can't find it, make it. Go to http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum2/HTML/001316.html and I have a very through post there about making citric acid from citrus fruits. That should help you out. Also try pharmacies and health food stores. ------------------ |
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Bandit Frequent Poster |
Citric acid can be found at the wine makers section of shops. Bandit |
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megalomania Administrator |
Fascinating post that was on the Hive, nbk2000. i have been looking for that info myself... My grocery store does have a canning section, and no it does not have any citric acid. Nor are there any wine stores in the area I know of, I would either have to buy it from chem supplier or make it. I know its is just a bottle of lemon juice away, but getting to pure crystals was the problem. Thank you very much... ------------------ |
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megalomania Administrator |
I'm sticking this here for our own archival purposes, ya never know when the Hive may be taken down...
This part of the process requires great attention and judgment, as, if not properly done, the whole batch may be carbonized abd spoiled. At this point the evaporation must be stopped, and the concentrated solution emptied into warm and clean crystallizing vessels in a dry room. At the end of 4 days the crystals will be ready to be romoved, when they must be well drained, redissolved in as little water as possible, and, after being allowed to stand for a few hours to deposit impurities, again evaporated and crystallized. When the process has been well managed, the acid of the second crystallization will usually be sufficiently pure; but if this be not the case, a third, or even a fourth crystallization must be done. The mother liquors from several pans are collected together, and, by evaporation, yield a second or third crop of crystals obtained by evaporation as before. Citric acid crystals are obtained with great ease, but in some cases, where all the calcium citrate has not undergone decomposition by the acid, a little of that salt is taken up by the free citric acid, and materially obstructs the crystallization. This is best avoided by exactly measuring the quantity of the sulphuric acid to that of the calcium, 49 parts by weight of sulphuric acid to 50 parts chalk. In practice it is found that a very slight excess of acid is prefered to leaving any calcium citrate undecomposed. 2 gallons of lemon juice yields about 1 pound of crystals (about 5%). Tests for the purity of citric acid: When pure, it does not yield a crystalline precipitate when added in excess to a solution of potassium corbonate, such a precipitate indicates the presence of tartaric acid. It is entirely soluble in water, and what is thrown down by lead acetate from this solution is entirely soluble in dilute nitric acid. No potassium salts (besides tartate) yeilds a precipitate with the aqueous solution. It is entirely decomposed by heat. Added sparingly to cold lime water it doesn't render it turbid. Hope this helps you out. |
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Nitrochem A New Voice |
If u don't feel like going through all that, Sears sells citric acid as a rosin cleaner in its water treatment section. I don't know the concentration though. You might also try the Photographer's Formulary (www.photoforumlary.com) which has it for 6.50/lb. (shipping price's a bitch though). |
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HMTD factory unregistered |
Hydrogen Peroxide(cheap) : 3% will work, as long as you keep reading.6%, 12%, will work definitely. Hexamethylenetetramine(cheap) :Also called: Citric Acid(cheap): pure, dry crystals at (HCl and H2SO4 sold for other than lab use Now follow the same instruction others told you (follow it word by word, ice bath and **After a point that all ingredients dissolve in the same container : STOP !!nothing more goes into the mixture from now on, even the stirring rod!!** Ice bath, sit cold as been told. Now you have to reduce the water from the mix Use temperature around 40 C to warm it, How to get the crystal in it? Flush the crystal into a larger, clean plastic/glass/ceramic bowl , then gather/filter the crystal in the bowl, wash again, warm it dry (again, no sun-dry) There u go. High quality HMTD. Enjoy the fun.
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Ho ju Moderator |
Is hexamine still sold in stores? i read somewhere else on this forum it was ebing replaced by a more reliable fuel? ------------------ |
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HMTD Factory Frequent Poster |
Yeah, I got mine in such camping store. ------------------ |
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